Further, this would seem to be an example, per a statement by MikeB recently, where an apparently law abiding person legally bought weapons and then acted on his previously largely unknown crazy intentions.
The leash idea by authorities is an interesting approach.
From MSNBC.com and news service reports:
Report: Teens threw stones at Norway mass killer
Newspaper: Youths attacked Anders Breivik as he shot dead 69 at youth camp; one was killed
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| Trond Solberg / VG - Scanpix Norway via SIPA Under heavily armored police guard, Anders Behring Breivik reconstructed his shooting rampage for Norwegian police on the island of Utoya on Saturday. |
Three teenagers threw stones at Anders Breivik as he shot dead 69 people at an island youth camp in Norway, according to a report Monday.
Citing Norway’s Dagbladet newspaper, the news website RT.com said one of the youths was shot dead, prompting the other two to flee.The report said that Breivik, 32, who has confessed to the killings, swore at them after one stone hit him on the head.
Movsar Zyamaev, 17, and Rustam Daudov, 16, originally from Chechnya, survived the attack. The teenager who died was not named in the report.
PhotoBlog: Norway killer reconstructs shooting spree for police
The report said they had originally thought the attack was some kind of joke, but realized it was serious when they saw Breivik shoot three people dead, including a friend.
They fled to the woods, where Movsar telephoned his father, who told him to try to stop Breivik if he could and to stay calm and help other people.
After throwing stones at Breivik, the report said they gathered a group of survivors in a hiding place near the shoreline.
Movsar pulled three people from the water, deciding it was too cold to try to swim to safety.
Breivik returns to island The report emerged after Breivik was taken back to the island Saturday.
Held tightly on a police leash, he took part in a reconstruction of his actions on July 22 for police.
In a photograph of the visit carried by the VG newspaper, Breivik is shown standing in a shooting position, as if aiming a rifle at someone in the water trying to swim away.
The killings on the island happened after Breivik killed eight people in the capital Oslo with a bomb.
On the island, Breivik described the killings in close detail during an eight-hour tour with 10-12 police, prosecutor Paal-Fredrik Hjort Kraby told a press conference in Oslo.
The hearing took place amid a massive security operation that aimed to avoid escape attempts by Breivik and protect him against potential avengers.
"We were able to animate his memory with regard to what happened out there," police prosecutor Paal-Fredrik Hjort Kraby told reporters Sunday, adding that "many new details" emerged in the eight-hour journey around the island Saturday.
"The suspect showed he wasn't emotionally unaffected by being back at Utoya ... but didn't show any remorse," Kraby said.
"He has been questioned for around 50 hours about this, and he has always been calm, detailed and collaborative, and that was also the case on Utoya," he said.
Story: Insanity ruling not likely in Norway
Breivik walked roughly the same route as the one he took during the shooting spree and explained what happened with as little interference as possible from police, Hjort Kraby said.
The entire hearing was filmed by police and will later be used in court, he added.
Images of the reconstruction published in the Norwegian daily VG show Breivik simulating shots into the water, where panicked teenagers tried to escape from him.
It had been arranged to avoid the need for a reconstruction in the midst of the trial and to make the suspect remember more details, Hjort Kraby said.
The prosecutor also confirmed Norwegian media reports that police received several phone calls from Breivik himself during the terror attack, but wouldn't say how police had reacted to the calls.
According to Norwegian daily Aftenposten, Breivik offered to surrender several times and asked police to call him back, but they didn't.
Breivik's lawyer has said he has admitted to the terror attacks, but denies criminal guilt because he believes the massacre was necessary to save Norway and Europe from Muslims and punish politicians who have embraced multiculturalism.
Breivik faces up to 21 years in prison if he is convicted on terrorism charges, but an alternative custody arrangement — if he is still considered a danger to the public — could keep him behind bars indefinitely.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
This link:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/188700/20110728/anders-behring-breivik-massacre-victims.htm
is to a list of names and numerous photographs of this asshole's victims.
Breiviks just another gutless piece of shit who needs a gun to be a man.
"Breivik faces up to 21 years in prison if he is convicted on terrorism charges, but an alternative custody arrangement — if he is still considered a danger to the public — could keep him behind bars indefinitely."
ReplyDeleteCould? As in there is a possibility he could be "free" in 21 years? That is both hilarious and sad.
I put "free" in quotes because his so-called "prison" is essentially an extended stay hotel where he's pretty much free to do anything any other Norwegian citizen can do.
Breivik will have very little chance if any of getting an insanity defense, so as he has already admitted he did the crime, it's a dead cert he will spend time behind bars.
ReplyDeleteAs to being in a Norwegian prison being the same as not being in prison?
Really? Red Az, would you care to substantiate that?
While it is true that Norway has a law which makes 21 years the longest period to which Breivik can initially be sentenced, if you check further, that is a sort of review period which can then be extended in 5 year increments. It is a different way of doing things, but it is still pretty unlikely, given the nature of his crimes and his lack of repentence for them, that Breivik will avoid jail, or get out of jail with that short a term. It's just one of the things about the Norwegian justice system which appears to be somewhat misrepresented in the U.S. press, and of course as is common with the right wing media, most greatly distorted and inaccurate in their reporting.
Yes, democommie, Breivik is "just another gutless piece of shit who needs a gun to be a man."
ReplyDeleteWe've got a lot of them in the U.S. too. Sometimes the gutlessness works in our favor and they never act. But when they do, we read the headlines and then all the gun-rights guys try to downplay it. Violent crime is going down, they say.
As I would have expected the only comment by Mikeb302000's regular anti-anti's (even though we are NOT anti-gun, just anti-assholes with gunz) laments the fact that Breivik--a complete piece of shit--will be treated like a human being.
ReplyDeleteWhile there is a part of me that would like to see such scum tortured and degraded, the non-hindbrain part of me knows that by doing that I would become that which I abhor.
"As to being in a Norwegian prison being the same as not being in prison?
ReplyDeleteReally? Red Az, would you care to substantiate that?"
Have you ever seen the "bars" he'll be spending time behind? I'll give you a hint: There are no bars. His "prison" has a communal kitchen, game room, and a nice view of the Scandinavian countryside. It's like a woodland retreat. All it's missing is a hot tub.
It's no wonder he admitted to the crime. If they kept him in there for life, they'd only be doing him a favor.
"While there is a part of me that would like to see such scum tortured and degraded, the non-hindbrain part of me knows that by doing that I would become that which I abhor."
ReplyDeleteIn typical anti-gunner fashion, you wish to mollycoddle criminals and put the boot to gun owners who have committed no crime.
No surprises there.
That is not it at all.
ReplyDeleteWhat is wanted is for people to own guns legally, to secure them, and not have them end up in the hands of criminals, crazies and drug users - or children. Win win for everyone.
That is a very laudable and humane goal, a civilized goal.
Civilized countries also treat prisoners humanely. You RedAz, on the other hand, repeatedly try to misrepresent facts.
Not so laudable. In fact, I could happily 'put the boot' to THAT kind of behavior.
AztecRed, how much you wanna bet there are no Norwegian people volunteering to go to jail? A humane jail is still a jail.
ReplyDelete"A humane jail is still a jail."
ReplyDeleteOnly in the sense that the sign on the building alludes to it being a "jail". In reality, it's no jail at all. His "jail" looks better than most people's homes.