The pro-gun folks keep using these stories to try and say gun control laws don't work. Well, of course it don't work, since we don't have proper gun control laws in place.A 14-year-old boy, a 12-year-old boy and two other people are dead and at least 18 people were wounded in separate shootings since Friday night, police said.The bloodiest single attack killed a 23-year-old man and wounded five others when a shooter opened fire at a crowd gathered in the 11600 block of South Peoria Avenue at 2:28 a.m. on Saturday. Melvin Jacobs, of the 16200 block of South Paulina Street in Markham, was taken to Advocate Trinity Hospital, where he was later pronounced dead.
What our gun friends are trying to do with those nonsense claims is deflect attention from the fact that one of the primary factors in bloody weekends like this in Chicago is gun availability. It, gun availability, is a direct result of the lack of proper gun control laws which would work to diminish it.
And whose responsible for that? Those very folks who are trying to deflect the argument by blaming the laws. Of course they have some formidable help from the NRA and the gun manufacturers, who benefit from things just the way they are. Dealers in death they are, all of them.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Wow. That is a lot of gun violence for a city with some of the strictest gun control. I imagine that means that cities in states with "lax" laws must have had exponentially more gun violence this weekend. The humanity.
ReplyDeleteMikeb, get the message. We're never going to allow Chicago-style laws elsewhere. Never. So why not allow good people to own and carry guns?
ReplyDeleteBecause you're not good people, not all of you, neither are you safe and responsible, not all of you.
DeleteThe vast majority of us are, despite the twitchings of your little toe and the voices in your head. You have no proof to the contrary, which is why you ask us to accept what you call "common sense." I have no problem with locking up criminals. I object when you want to take rights away before the fact, like some kind of science fiction police force
DeleteYes, of course you do, Greg.
DeleteYour idea of what the "vast majority" is not good enough to convince anyone who's not already convinced.
Something like a hundred million gun owners in America and 100,000 deaths or injuries from firearms per annum--one tenth of one percent. Some six or seven million carry license holders, plus people who carry in states that don't require a license, and only a bit over 300 in five years have committed crimes with their guns--that percentage is even smaller.
DeleteWhat's your definition of vast majority?
Greg, you stretched the figure I usually hear of 80 million up to 100. And you failed to consider how many of those guys have guns in the drawer or closet and never bring them out.
DeleteSo your idea of "vast majority" is shrinking as we speak.
My idea is that the percentage of unfit and unsafe folks among your "vast majority" is too high, especially since many of them could be identified and disarmed with no change to you.
Why would you resist?
Multiple bullshit here:
Delete1. No charge to me? You think the government does anything for free?
2. The latest Gallup poll said that almost 50% of Americans have a gun in their home or on their property. Of course, people don't always admit to a pollster about having a gun. The number that I've seen is 100,000,000, but that could be much higher.
3. I don't trust your proposed methods of finding unfit gun owners.
4. I, like many Americans, resist when anyone calls for too much control.
Mikeb, if you were a person committed to cause death and injuries by shooting people where/when would do it? Would you do it when you knew that person could not be armed to fight back or would you do it when that person might be armed and can fight back?
ReplyDeleteThink about it.
Yeah, that old "deterrence argument" has been debunked over and over again. It would only apply if most murders were done by calculating people who are committed to doing the deed. Most murders don't happen like that.
DeleteWhy didn't the chicago cops protect these people?
ReplyDeleteAren't the cops to blame?
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how would the cops be the blame for a bunch of Drive-Bys?
DeleteJ.O.B., of course they are not to blame. The other anonymous was referring to Mike's utopia, where ordinary citizens are defenseless against criminals. The expectation in that scenario is that you rely on the cops for safety and protection. We know already that that doesn't work as there just aren't enough cops, especially in the current economic climate.
DeleteMike- "What our gun friends are trying to do with those nonsense claims is deflect attention from the fact that one of the primary factors in bloody weekends like this in Chicago is gun availability. It, gun availability, is a direct result of the lack of proper gun control laws which would work to diminish it."
ReplyDeleteFor arguments sake, let's say that we regulate gun availability in Chicago. Will that diminish this "Weekend Violence"? Absolutely not. 100% not........All you would be doing, is restricting the ownership rights of Law-Abiding citizens.
I read the Sun-Times article. Have you personally been through these neighborhoods? Have you walked through Pilsen, Engelwood, Back of the Yards, or Pullman?
I understand that you have an agenda. Just about every blogger does. But you taking newspaper clips from local papers and using them to pass that agenda, is 100% retarded.......
Walk those neighborhoods, then we'll talk.
I've been in dicey neighborhoods and I understand what I'm talking about.
DeleteWhen I talk about "gun availability," I'm referring to criminals and unfit people, not to law-abiding citizens. Proper gun control would diminish the availability to those undesirable people without undue restrictions on the law-abiding.
I think you purposely miss that distinction.
But we know that your proposals would only apply to law-abiding gun owners, since the criminal owners won't care or participate in your rules.
DeleteThe guns all come from you law-abiding citizens. There is no original criminal source for guns.
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