Megyn Kelly was at her schizophrenic best as an actress. In the early moments of the video I thought she was going to cry over the passage of Connecticut's new gun laws. Then, a few minutes later she turned Wayne into the stuttering, bumbling, inept con-artist that he is.
Interrupting Wayne, she pointed out that Adam Lanza's mother was not a criminal or a mentally defective person. She was a law abiding gun owner. So, why would we think the limitation on magazine capacity would have made no difference?
All Wayne could do with that was stumble around and come back to the nonsensical refrain that criminals won't obey the laws.
What's your opinion?
There's no video here, but I know the segment that you're talking about. Here's a better answer: The number of children who would have been saved if the shooter had used ten-round magazines? Zero. Changing out a magazine takes little time. If you look at the walk through the school that he took, you'll see that he spent most of it in a hallway. So someone would have had to emerge from a classroom, find him, and tackle him in the two seconds required to drop the spent mag and insert a new one.
ReplyDeleteYou people have faith alone. We have facts. Faith in the presence of reasoning is often productive. Faith without reason is foolishness.
We also need to remember that he did tactical reloads. In those cases, he was never really empty- he had one in the chamber in case someone charged. He also had sidearms. Both of those factors make it an utter fantasy this idea that 2 sec reloads are a factor in stopping an active shooter from unarmed defenders. The fantasy turns comical when these same people tell us CCW guns are useless to stop a shooting in progress.
DeleteNo one knows what would have happened. I find the idea that changing magazines 15 times instead of 5 would have made a difference quite compelling.
DeleteMikeb, you find anything that would make our lives more difficult to be compelling.
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Of course, you know so much more about guns than we do, so you can pontificate about how long changing out a magazine takes, and what you say has to be true.
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He shot for 5 min, then waited 15 min for the armed opposition to show up. I don't find it overly compelling to wonder what it would have been like if he shot for 5 min and 20 sec, and then waited 14min and 40sec before killing himself.
DeleteYou find the "idea" compelling, so you ignore the evidence that disproves that hypothesis.
DeleteNo, I'm not ignoring anything, you guys are talking shit. In the heat of killing, you think he would have successfully changed mags 15 times smoothly at an average of 2 seconds per change.
DeleteYou see, you guys have to believe crap like that to maintain your bizarre position. Just like there are 2.5 million really legitimate and necessary DGUs each year.
One of the weapons used at Columbine was a Hi Point 995 9 mm Carbine. It was AWB compliant, and the shooter had 13 10 round magazines. Most of which he fired. Banning Standard Capacity magazines (and yes, 30 rounds is standard capacity for the AR-15, AK-47 and a host of others) will do nothing to stop these types of shootings, nor will they give people a greater chance of defending themselves.
ReplyDeleteLoughner and Lanza and Holmes proved you wrong.
DeleteThat's not proof, other than to say that wackos will be wackos. You just don't get how easy it is to reload a gun.
DeleteSince you're using anecdotes as proof, Virginia Tech proves you wrong. 17 mag changes, two were 15rds, the rest Brady approved 10 rounders- highest body count for US shootings.
DeleteMikeb said, "All Wayne could do with that was stumble around and come back to the nonsensical refrain that criminals won't obey the laws."
ReplyDeleteI guess this means Mikeb, as Greg said, has faith, faith that criminals will indeed obey the law.
"Faith," as Twain said, "is believing what you know ain't so."
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