"The dispute started between two women when one of them danced with a man," said Auburn Police Cmdr. Mike Hirman in a statement issued late Sunday night. Herman said that some of the victims and suspects knew each other.This is what happens with an armed society. Far from being a polite society, petty arguments turn deadly. This story also points out the foolishness of allowning guns in bars. Alcohol and guns don't mix.
"On the dance floor in the building, there was no problem. They were arguing outside about a girlfriend dancing with another guy or something like that. Our security had no problems inside the building, none at all," Mahoney said.
Several witnesses said a woman first fired a warning shot into the air to break up the fight. Hearing that, the witness continued, a man, perhaps believing that shots were being fired in earnest, ran to his car across the lot and grabbed a gun.
An estimated 20-to-30 seconds after the warning shot, multiple individuals pulled out handguns and began firing, according to police.
Duncan, Greer and Lindsay were pronounced dead at the scene. A fourth victim, as yet publicly unidentified, was struck multiple times and transported to Harborview Medical Center in critical condition. His condition was later upgraded to serious but stable.
Later Sunday, police arrested a person of interest on weapons charges unrelated to the incident.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Oh come off your high horse. Your side suggested that concealed carry permits would lead to this happening all the time. It didn't. You suggested that allowing people not drinking alcohol to carry in restaurants would lead to this happening all the time. It didn't.
ReplyDeleteYes, the worst case scenario happened here, and some people are probably going to jail for it (provided the responsible parties aren't the dead ones). However, this type of thing is rare--not the everyday occurrence you predict. I can think of one other incident like this that made the national news a few years back. There may be others, but in the grand scope of things, this is not a common occurrence, in spite of your prognostications and protestations to the contrary.
No one said it would happen "all the time."
DeleteYour definition of rare and mine are different. I prefer to say it happens too often.
Yes, this mirrors you dodge when we talked about your predictions of blood in the streets.
DeleteYou predicted a huge increase in shootings in the streets, shootouts in restaurants, shootouts at Wal-Mart, etc.
None of this materialized. Is there an occasional fluke like this? Sure. But crime has fallen in spite of these laws. Your crime spree never materialized, so you now change definitions and claim that you didn't predict massive increases in crime--no, you just meant that it wouldn't drop as fast as otherwise!
Etc.
Everyone who's paying attention can see the truth. Well, everyone except you and your closest cohorts--you are all so self deluded that you can't see what asses you look like.
Mikeb, you've never quantified what your definition of rare is. Mine's red in the center and warm around the edges. Oh, wait, wrong one. Rare has different meanings, depending on the context, but I doubt you'll find any neutral person who would suggest that less than one tenth of one percent qualifies as anything but rare.
DeleteThis story also points out the foolishness of allowning [sic] guns in bars.
ReplyDeleteGuess what, genius--Washington does not allow guns in bars. So how does a bad outcome in a jurisdiction with the policy you want (no legal guns in bars) prove that this policy is best?
Actually, all of the shooting took place outside the bar, so I don't know where they came up with the idea that the guns were in the bar anyway. The article specifically says one person went to their car to get a gun.
DeleteSo what yall are saying is this was a bunch of criminals who decided they felt froggy enough to touch off the Mexican Standoff they were in, and Mike is twisting it into a story about concealed carry gone wrong?
DeleteAmateur journalistic incompetence? Or willful twisting and deception?
Actually, Kurt, I didn't say Washington allows guns in bars. I was making a point about the foolishness of mixing guns with alcohol. That's all. And thanks for that [sic]. Did it make you feel all superior?
DeleteI was making a point about the foolishness of mixing guns with alcohol.
DeleteI have to agree that the idea of "mixing guns with alcohol" is more than a little foolish. I cannot envision a material that would both lend itself to comprising any structurally significant part of a firearm, and be alcohol soluble. That solubility would itself be something of a disqualifying factor, to my way of thinking.
On the other hand, I am of course a big fan of opening alcohol with guns, if only to upset the cud-chewing, bed-wetting herbivores.
Did it make you feel all superior?
ReplyDeleteNot specifically. Reality makes me "feel all superior" to you, herbivore. That might sound arrogant, but it's not, really. I don't perceive myself to be morally and intellectually superior to the vast majority of people. Mostly just people like you, of whom there are blessedly few in the U.S.