A background check could have saved Zina Daniel's life. #RememberZina pic.twitter.com/6wBGYaZsqh
— Demand Action (@DemandAction) October 16, 2013
A background check could have saved Zina Daniel's life. #RememberZina pic.twitter.com/6wBGYaZsqh
— Demand Action (@DemandAction) October 16, 2013
Mike, you often comment on how universal background checks need to be implemented, and also believe that those that violate any gun safety law be barred from possessing firearms for life.
ReplyDeleteYet you don't place a very high priority on prosecuting prohibited persons who attempt to purchase by lying on the required paperwork.
What should the punishment be for those prohibited persons who attempt to buy by lying on those forms?
Delete"Lying on this form is a felony and can be punished by up to five years in prison in addition to fines, even if the transaction is simply denied by the NICS, although prosecutions are rare in the absence of another felony committed with the gun purchased."
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473
I've explained this before. I find it surprising that you'd even question it. Lying on a form is a non-violent paperwork crime. It's no biggie. That's all.
DeleteSo if an FFL makes a paperwork error, that's no biggie, either?
DeleteIf its no biggie, then what's the point of expanding something that's not a biggie?
DeleteUseless if they never prosecute offenders.
DeleteIf an FFL is found guilty of paperwork crimes which allowed guns to walk out the back door, that is a big deal. If a convicted felon tries to buy a gun and is blocked by the background check, that's no big deal.
DeleteWhy is that difficult for you gun nuts?
Both are paperwork violations.
DeleteGreg, are you saying they're equally grave? Quit fucking around with bullshit comments and commit yourself. Is the FFL guy who fudges the paperwork to cover guns that disappear equally bad as the ex-con who tries to buy a gun and checks the wrong box on the form? Try to give us a straight answer for once.
DeleteI gave you a straight answer. You just don't like my answer. You need more? Let's see: So a guy who knows he can't pass a background check goes in to get a gun and lies on the form vs. a guy who knows the buyer can't pass a background check so he lies on the form. Yup, those both look the same to me.
DeleteGreg, you're playing dumb again. The comparison was between the paperwork crimes of an FFL guy and the paperwork crimes of a disqualified person trying to buy a gun. Why is it so hard for you to be honest in your arguments?
DeleteMikeb, why are you so committed to your notion that if someone disagrees with you, the person is lying? Those are both paperwork violations. You want them treated differently. I see them as effectively the same. Now will you lay off the nonsense that just because I don't accept your position that what I say is a lie?
DeleteBecause, Greg, some of the things you SAY you disagree with be about are so outlandish that I cannot believe a fairly educated and intelligent man like yourself can really believe them. You must admit you are a bit contentious. I believe some of the points you make in the argument are simply for argument's sake, in other words, lies.
DeleteThe there's questions like, "Mikeb, why are you so committed to your notion that if someone disagrees with you, the person is lying?"
You didn't say sometimes or occasionally, you said it as if I ALWAYS call you a liar when you disagree with me. That's one of the ways you lie.
You say guns do more good than harm. I disagree strongly, but have I ever called you a liar for that? Like many of your crazy ideas, I accept that for what it is, a crazy idea and don't for a minute think you're lying about it. There are many examples of that.
But, when you say you really believe there's no difference between the FFL guy, who's been licensed with the public trust to do the right thing, who fudges the paperwork and lets guns slip out the back door, and the ex-con who tries and fails to buy a gun, you're fucking lying through your teeth, man.
No, Mikeb. When I make a claim of fact, I believe it to be true. We all have memory lapses from time to time, but as I've shown you, my recall of things tends to be better than yours. If I make a statement of value or opinion, that comes from the thinking that I've done on the subject. I give people here the opportunity to argue with my logic, but you and the others on your side rarely trouble yourselves with that. But I didn't say that you always call me a liar. You do use that line so frequently that it's fostered an environment of mistrust. I've discussed this with you before. We can't trust gun control advocates, and you can't trust us. That's fine with me, so long as no new gun control is passed.
DeleteThere are times when I'm being sarcastic, but I usually put a mark of punctuation that shows an interrogative sentence to indicate what I'm doing. Or I figure that intelligent readers can discern what's going on. You never do that, of course. (That was sarcastic, by the way.)
You have proven through your own words that you are a cowardly criminal liar. Yes, I disagree with those who promote criminality as you do. Your criminal thinking is not an alternative viewpoint I have to consider. It is illegal and you are a criminal.
DeleteSorry, Greg, I'm not buyin' it. You're a contentious man who plays fast and loose with the standard of honesty and integrity. I've shown it over and over again. The one thing you can truthfully claim is total loyalty to your side.
DeleteAnd if your magazine holds 12 rounds instead of 10, it's non-violent and no biggie.
ReplyDeleteAnd if your rifle has a flash suppressor on the end of the barrel, it's non-violent and no biggie.
And if you carry concealed into an invisible gun free zone, it's non-violent and no biggie.
And if you advertise a private gun sale in order to get top market value and sell to another legal gun enthusiast, it's non-violent and no biggie.
We were talking about lying on a government form and whether or not that's a big deal. What are you talking about?
DeleteHe's pointing out the absurdity of so many gun control laws.
DeleteI'm talking about non-violent things that don't even involve lying on a federal form.
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