We are failing our kids. It's our generation's responsibility to come together and make it stop, now. #gunsafety pic.twitter.com/O2AJk5GEb4
— Shark (@mydearloveys) December 21, 2013We are failing our kids. It's our generation's responsibility to come together and make it stop, now. #gunsafety pic.twitter.com/O2AJk5GEb4
— Shark (@mydearloveys) December 21, 2013
I've learned not to trust numbers thrown at me without sources.
ReplyDeleteSo none of this is true? We have had no school shootings? We have no gun problems? You have been asked many times for facts to back up your bogus claims, but you refuse. Mike posts facts, and you claim they are false, yet no facts to prove they are false. You are called a cowardly liar, rightly so.
DeleteYeah, Greg, the point is pretty clear. Of course you'd want to sidestep it.
DeleteMikeb, as you've been shown, not everyone is in agreement about whether these incidents are on an increase. The facts are in dispute.
DeleteAgain, no response from the sites lying coward.
DeleteIt doesn't matter if they're on the increase or not. They're way too frequent and it's your fucking fault for supporting the gun-rights that make them possible.
DeleteMy fault? I have never shot up a school. Besides, you believe that your solutions would stop these incidents, while I deny that claim. You want us to try something, hoping to ameliorate the symptoms, instead of doing things that aim to solve the root causes.
Delete"The facts are in dispute."
DeleteIf the facts are in dispute how can you claim these facts are wrong. Where are your facts to prove them wrong? That's right, as the sites cowardly liar, you need no facts.
For the tenth time, Greg, we are doing things to address the root causes. Meanwhile, we need to also limit gun availability to the unfit and dangerous assholes out there, even if that might inconvenience you a bit. Of course, your stubborn resistance to anything along those lines could mean you're one of the unfit and dangerous assholes who would be disarmed. That would explain a lot.
DeleteHaving a tribunal decide if I'm allowed to own a gun, having the police inspect my home, having the police decide if I'm allowed to carry depending on my campaign contributions, having to get a doctor pass on whether I'm fit, being allowed to own only ammunition for registered guns, and on and on--this you call inconvenient?
DeleteI don't give a damn what you think about my fitness. It's plain too bad for you that your views don't have the force of law, but I will do everything I can to see that they never do.
You have been claiming that gun ownership is going down for quite a while. Gun laws have increased. Yet school shootings have increased. Perhaps we should try to discover the root cause, and address that.
ReplyDeleteWe are already trying to address the other causes. But much more needs to be done about gun availability to unfit people.
DeleteIt's a gunsuck world, and the rest of us are forced to live in it. We are forced to live with dangerous weapons sold by gunsucks to the mentally ill, to criminals, without any controls whatsoever. We are forced to tolerate these half-man perverts and their need to support their inadequate midget dicks with weapons. Me, I wish that every massacre takes place with NRA members front and center.
ReplyDeleteSteve, if you're going to be consistent, you should attack Nick's desire to see criminal violence committed.
DeleteWhy so defensive, Greg? You want guns for the mentally ill, guns for felons, guns for everyone. This means, INEVITABLY, that murders, mass murders, will be committed. I merely want YOU and YOUR FAMILY to get the brunt of YOUR POLICIES about guns. I don't want mass murders, but when they come, I want the people on the front lines to be NRA members and their families. I light a candle everytime some gunsuck NRA asshole is wounded. They are my enemy.
DeleteNick,
DeleteWhile you do not believe that your neighbors lives are worth defending, I do ... as do most other people. If you want to have nothing but a cell phone and your bare hands to face a 250 pound attacker who is armed with a knife, hammer, club, or gun, that is your choice, and a foolish one at that. But I am not willing to sacrifice good citizens to sooth your fear of firearms. Only a monster like yourself would tell our wives and daughters to submit to rapists ... something that our wives and daughters do NOT have to do if they are armed!
-- TruthBeTold
The "250 pound attacker who is armed with a knife, hammer, club, or gun" is all in your mind. Chances are either 3 times or 47 times greater, depending on which report you believe, that you'll shoot a family member before you shoot an intruder. That makes you pretty stupid as well as paranoid.
DeleteYou love to talk about submission to rapists, but do you have any idea how rare the home-invading rapist is? No, obviously you don't. Rapists are almost always known to the victim. That means the gun is of no use against rape except in very rare cases. So again, the chances of the gun being misused by your wife or daughter is far greater than that it will be used to prevent a rape. That makes you an idiot who, in the name of protecting them, is putting them in greater danger.
Paranoid lying scum like you are a demonstration that mental illness is no bar from acquiring guns. I pray, for you, the prayer of St Gunsel: I hope your family is right there are the next massacre. You see, I don't like or want massacres, but the policies of the NRA make them INEVITABLE. We all know that the next massacre is just a matter of time - probably mid-January, when some kid who gets picked on will take the weapon he got for Christmas to take out the bullies. It's being planned right now. I merely hope that the dead are all related to NRA members. It's what God wants, you know, DIRECTLY from the bible: "As ye sow, so shall ye reap". Me and Jesus are on the same page here.
DeleteMike:
DeleteThe losers in the gunsuck side are mostly mentally ill losers who are afraid of everything - dust, bunnies, roaches. They see danger in normal things - a cow farts, and they believe that some rapist is coming to rape their wife, who weighs 320 lbs and is covered in scabs. Reasoning with the mentally ill is like trying to get a pig to talk - it's not gonna work, and it annoys the pig. And if you annoy the gunsucks, they will probably shoot either themself or their kid.
So Mikeb claims to know better and will determine what is in my family's best interest. And Nick Danger claims that good people who own firearms are "mostly mentally ill". (That would be at least 50 or so million people in our nation.) Regardless of their justification, they desperately desire to tell me and my family what to do ... and they want law enforcement officers to use violence, up to and including deadly force, to compel me and my family to do what they want me and my family to do.
DeleteAnd why do people like Mikeb and Nick Danger express such resentment and vitriol at people like me? Mikeb and Nick Danger want my head on a platter because I tell them they cannot meddle in my life. And they wonder why I want to be armed.
-- TruthBeTold
TBT, the fact that you're making a stupid decision based in unreasonable fears, acting emotionally, in other words, is neither here nor there. The problem is that due to loose regulations almost anybody can get a gun. This has to stop and unfortunately it might inconvenience you a tiny bit. If you're truly responsible and law-abiding it WILL NOT disarm you and leave you wife and daughters vulnerable to rape. It WILL NOT disarm you and make you feel like less than a man. You'll be able to continue in your fantasy that because of your weapons you're safe.
DeleteSo what the hell are you bitching about? Do you want criminals and lunatics to have easy access to guns?
Mikeb, your proposals again:
DeleteA tribunal with the discretion to refuse ownership permits, medical and psychological examinations for gun owners, bans on overweight people owning guns, may-issue policies for carry, bans on owning ammunition for a gun that a person isn't permitted to own, registration of all guns with home inspections and annual renewal, bans on types of firearms, limits on magazine capacity, and the list goes on.
Why do you keep repeating the claim that what you want would be a minor inconvenience?
Well, Greg, I suppose it depends on how far from the norm you are. For normal and responsible people who are truly fit to own and use guns safely, very little would change.
DeleteMikeb, you cannot possibly believe that these intrusive demands and permissions issued only to people that the government favors are minor. If you really do believe that, you're worse than I thought.
DeleteIt's amusing how gun control freaks use paranoid rants, expressing desires for violence, when accusing gun rights advocates of being paranoid.
ReplyDeleteNot quite as funny as all the lies and criminal activity you support. The latest being, it's OK to drink and use guns while one drinks. Next lie. Back to your ignoring 33,000 gun shot deaths every year.
DeleteFeel free to prove that I said that with a URL to the source. Of course, you can't do that, since I never said what you claim here.
DeleteDon't need to, everyone read your idiot comment.
DeleteIn other words, Anonymous, you are incapable of proving your claim.
DeleteNo, in other words I printed your comments that prove what I say, and you have never refuted, or denied you made those statements.
DeleteNext lie.
Anonymous, I don't trust you to copy anything honestly. When you want to deal with my comments one at a time and with a URL to the original article, I'll discuss them with you.
DeleteBut you're not willing to do that. It's because you know you won't be able to prove your claims about me if you have to look at what I actually said.
What a fucking liar. This laughable URL crap you invented as some weasel excuse to not answer the proof against you, that you ARE a lying criminal coward. Keep lying, keep proving me correct. Thanks.
DeleteDon't have to trust anon, your comments full of lies are there for all to read.
DeleteYes, one wonders how your statement "revenge is justice" is taken out of context. In what context is "revenge is justice" an acceptable law abiding citizens stance?
ReplyDeleteNo response. Thanks for making my point for me.
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