Come on, we all know there are gun sales being made without background checks. It doesn't take too long to find someone who is willing to sell a gun "no questions asked".
Don't come the old "enforce the laws on the books" since the laws are
set up so that it is next to impossible to prosecute these people.
Anything which might prevent these sales are opposed on the basis that
they "infringe upon our rights."
Or "criminals don't obey the law".
OK, if criminals don't obey the law, let's get rid of all laws.
Background checks are not only not required for private sales in most states, but in fact, private sellers can't run checks. So unless the seller knows the buyer to be a prohibited person, no crime is being committed here.
ReplyDeleteOn the question of laws, we should have laws against actual harms. Murder should be illegal. Theft should be illegal. But buying and selling guns should not.
"Murder should be illegal. Theft should be illegal. But buying and selling guns should not."
DeleteBuying and selling guns is not illegal, except for prohibited persons.
When was the last time you were denied the purchase of a gun?
When was the last time the feds confiscated your gun?
Chicken Little is alive and well.
The bill voted on this past April was to make it a crime to sell a gun privately- even if the buyer is not prohibited.
DeleteSeveral state today have laws that make it illegal to sell a gun, regardless of the buyer's status.
But be honest, Anonymous. Gun control advocates are pushing for exactly that. If they aren't, why is everything they push for against gun rights?
Delete"When was the last time you were denied the purchase of a gun?"
DeleteThe last gun show I attended when the NICS was so swamped the dealer finally gave up after being on hold for 45 minutes.
It's a god-damned shame that lawful honest citizens would be inconvenienced, but that's a small price to pay in order to eliminate one of the main sources of guns slipping into the criminal world. The folks who oppose this are extremely self-centered people who don't give a fuck about anything other than their own convenience.
DeleteThe folks who oppose this are extremely self-centered people who don't give a fuck about anything other than their own convenience.|
DeleteConvenience is nice, but I'm much more strongly motivated by the vital need for unhindered, anonymous access to the palladium of liberty.
. . . one of the main sources of guns slipping into the criminal world.
DeleteFacebook? You've got to be kidding. That's ridiculous by even your standards.
You crybabies are hilarious. Instagram, then Reddit, and now Facebook. Actually, if you go back far enough, you can even find idiots whining about the so-called "newspaper loophole"--I kid you not. These asshole boneheads wanted to ban classified ads for guns in newspapers.
Are you really unaware that the same federal, state, and local laws apply to sales facilitated by these and other websites (and by newspaper ads) as to sales conducted by more traditional means?
What you're whining about is simply modern methods for gun buyers and vendors to find one another.
No, Mikeb, what we don't care about is your need to control people.
DeleteIs that what you have to say about those who opposed Colburn's bill? Strong words.
DeleteOf course I opposed M-T for purely unselfish reasons. I'm already under CA law, so I am only thinking about other people's rights.
"Are you really unaware that the same federal, state, and local laws apply to sales facilitated by these and other websites (and by newspaper ads) as to sales conducted by more traditional means?"
DeleteNo, Kurt, no one that I know is unaware of that. It's a pretty weak trick on your part to pretend you don't know that and make believe your opponents believe silly things.
No, Kurt, no one that I know is unaware of that. It's a pretty weak trick on your part to pretend you don't know that and make believe your opponents believe silly things.
DeleteYour belief in such "silly things" is the only rational explanation I can come up with for all the whining about Instagram, Reddit, Facebook, and newspaper ads.
Mikeb, you most certainly do believe silly things. Sometimes, it's hard to sort out which silly thing we're trying to get you to stop believing.
DeleteKurt must be abusing those pills again. He seems to have missed completely what being said here. The gun control position is about private sales without a background check of which Facebook and the others mentioned are just a part. Asking Facebook to stop participating in this is simply asking for corporate responsibility.
DeleteNo, it's that the gun control freaks can't stand the idea of a gun being sold without a record.
DeleteBecause the see a problem with 33,000 gun shot deaths a year, and you do not.
DeleteOk Laci, the first question is, what exactly do you want? If all you want are background checks on private sales, then you had your chance last legislative session with Senator Coburn's bill which would have made NICS accessible to citizens who wanted to conduct a private sale. No one on the gun control side showed any interest.
ReplyDeleteOr is it manufacturer to scrap heap tracking you want to accomplish and for that you need registration.
You're taking your cue from TS who is obsessed with the Coburn thing and what he says is the reason it didn't work. As I said on another of the several threads in which he diverted our attention to this nonsense, I read about twenty sites on Coburn and his amendment and not a one talked about who prevented it from becoming a reality and why.
DeleteBut, by all means, jump on the bandwagon. This is the beauty of the internet. You guys get together and start repeating things and they spread like a virus during epidemic.
I'm the one obsessed with background checks? You're funny. So what does that make you?
DeleteIn those 20 articles, did you find any support from traditional gun control supporters? You know, those people who have been "obsessed" with getting background checks for private sales the past twenty years.
I wrote, "TS who is obsessed with the Coburn thing"
DeleteYou said, "I'm the one obsessed with background checks?"
That's pretty sloppy. Mischaracterizing what I say is what Greg usually does. I've come to expect better from you.
The Colburn thing is background checks. Since I was "obsessed" with only supporting background checks if it were done the right way long before Colburn ever proposed it, my statement is quite fair.
DeleteSo, did you find anyone on your side giving an ounce of support for it?
Mikeb, I keep you honest. You like to be loose with the facts.
DeleteTS, you're obsessed with a specific aspect of the "Coburn thing." And it's an aspect that only you are talking about. When the first twenty sites I search contain not a word of what you keep harping about, I have to figure you're obsessed with an invented gotcha.
DeleteBut more to the point, when you say "You said, "I'm the one obsessed with background checks?"" you're mischaracterizing what I said.
One of my key points is that the media gave no attention to this bill's death, and here you are using the fact that you couldn't find any articles talking about it as prove that I'm wrong. Nice.
DeleteI thought one of your key points was not about the media but about the democrats or the gun control folks who failed to push this thing. Was I wrong?
DeleteI mentioned the media, Reid, Obama, and gun control groups.
DeleteYeah, right, if you say so. But we both know what your point was and it wasn't about the media unless of course you were pushing that old conspiracy about the liberal media and gun control advocacy being practically one and the same.
DeleteCome on, we all know there are gun sales being made without background checks.
ReplyDeleteGood thing, too.
Don't come the [sic] old "enforce the laws on the books" . . .
ReplyDeleteDon't worry--"enforce the laws on the books" is anathema to my philosophy regarding gun policy. I say repeal the laws on the books, and until you can accomplish that, violate them, with a smile on your face and a song in your heart, knowing that you, by defying evil, are striking a blow for decency.
Ah yes, the old "circumvent the law" or break the law mentality. Always nice to see criminals screaming for their rights.
DeleteI'm not "screaming" for anything, Anon. Screaming is for cowards--the kind of people who hide behind internet anonymity, for example.
DeleteAnother ridiculous cry about anonymity. Call yourself Kurt, that still tells me nothing. You go ahead and name me, I will use that name. Will it make you feel better? I don't have a blog page and I'm not going to start one just to converse with the likes of you and Greg who claim circumventing, ignoring, or breaking the law is the proper position to take. If you are such a patriot and believer in the Constitution, then you know there are legal proper channels to rid ourselves of what you guys call bad laws. Criminal thinking is not one of those channels.
Delete"Criminal thinking"? Now you want to ban thoughts that frighten you? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised--authority worshiping, sniveling punk cowards fear lots of things, and what they fear, they want banned.
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