Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Another Rough Night in Newark

NJ.com reports on another violent night that transpired in Newark.

The first shooting took place around 9:30 p.m. Sunday on South 11th Street. a city man suffered multiple gunshot wounds in that incident, authorities. said.

A few hours later, shortly after 1:30 a.m., a caller informed police of a shooting at Frelinghuysen and Victoria Streets. The exact site of the shooting was established by the city's gunshot detection system, said Det. Todd McClendon.

Police found the unidentified victim suffering a gunshot wound to the stomach, and he was taken to University Hospital in critical condition.

A third person was shot in the stomach at about 2:30 a.m. near the corner of Clinton Avenue and Van Ness Place. The 23-year-old man was taken to University Hospital in stable condition, authorities said.

What's wrong with that city? They've got what must be some fairly sophisticated equipment in that "gunshot detection system," yet the violence keeps rolling along.

Where do you think the guns come from? I realize we don't know, but I'm just asking based on common sense, where do you think they come from?

My guess is they come from out of state, where, number 1, they're easier to buy, and number 2, they're easier to steal because more homes contain weapons than in NJ. We saw it recently in Queens NY. What this means, very simply is the strict gun control laws in New Jersey work extremely well, because they force criminals and young gang members to get there guns from outside, and it means that if the other states with lax gun laws would get in line, there would be a major lessening in gun violence.

What's your opinion? Does that make sense to you?

Please leave a comment.


  1. NJ and NYC are too close to neighboring states. The only way they can pass effective laws is if they could convince other states to join them.

  2. I say just build a big wall around NJ, since they have a problem keeping their criminals locked up.

  3. What the non-gun states need is a bunch of gun-sniffing dogs at the border. Either that or some huge metal detectors.

    They need checkpoints! Inspection stations!

  4. The "logic" of a gun law pusher:

    Fact A--Lots of criminal shooting in a New Jersey city.

    Fact B--We have no information on the origins of the guns used.

    Therefore, we must conclude that "the strict gun control laws in New Jersey work extremely well."

    If I didn't know better, Mikeb, I would be starting to wonder if maybe you were an extremely clever "plant," working under deep cover for the pro-rights side, in order to make the citizen disarmament advocates look extremely silly. I mean Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and Elvis--do you listen to yourself, Mikeb?

  5. MikeB 280 words for this post. I can sum it up in much fewer words. This post was:

    Yet another example of gun control not working but since that state has gun control the violence must be caused by other states with lax gun control laws even though they don't seem to have the same crime as the strict gun control state.

  6. Impossible! NJ has strict gun control and no one in the state can legally carry a gun!

  7. Actually, the gun control is working as perfectly as can be expected in this country (due to a myriad of reasons previously discussed): The criminals can easily get guns, law abiding citizens have to jump through hoops.

    I sympathize with the issues in Newark, but I believe you're fishing for a simple solution to a complex problem. Gun control will not make violence suddenly go away, even if you DID manage to completely eliminate all firearms. I believe the real issues are much more deep-rooted in our society, but if I DID have a good answer, I sure wouldn't be doing my current job, I'd be out making the world a better place.

  8. MikeB- "Gunshot Detection" is the most useless pile of crap ever.

    It's also proof that your city has a serious crime problem if you've got enough shootings to implement such a system.

  9. "MikeB- "Gunshot Detection" is the most useless pile of crap ever."

    I wouldn't say "useless". I wish my village had it, we would hours of fun with it.

  10. I too wish we had the gunshot detection system.

    $50 worth of fireworks would provide some entertainment value.

    Then again, it's legal for me to shoot all I want on and around my property so I don't think we'll have one anytime soon.

    For those living in Newark, try the fireworks out. If you tire of the whole system, then get yourself some super-soakers and fill them with vinegar. The recorders will rust away in short time.

  11. I've got to agree with beowulf: your logic is critically flawed. You haven't the data that you need in order to reach the conclusions that you draw.

  12. cj very rightly said, "I believe the real issues are much more deep-rooted in our society."

    The thing is we're already working on those complex problems, or at least we should be. Gun availability is one of the most concrete factors contributing to what you point out is a complex matrix. That's why I say we should focus on the guns.

  13. From what I've heard "Gunshot Detection" is the most useless pile of crap ever" is an incredibly true statement. Although I can't make any comment on the technology.

    Unfortuantely, this is one problem with the Federal System. Anonymous's gun-sniffing dogs and metal detectors are unfortunately out.

    But, my experience shows that the guns in NJ come from states with less restrictive gun laws. DC's gun laws didn't work very well because people could buy firearms in VA or MD, preferably VA since their gun laws were looser. The one gun a month rule has cut down the amount of guns from VA.

    On the other hand, I did find DCs gun laws too restrictive pre-Heller and would have liked for the registration of handguns. The registration process was also restrictive Pre-Heller with aone MPD officer running the show and very restricted hours. It still is from what I've heard.

    Now, we have Heller which while finding an individual right allows for registration of firearms:
    Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.