Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Wisconsin and Concealed Carry

The Journal Sentinal published a wonderful article by Peggy Schultz entitled "Public safety must be top priority."

Is it a good idea, for example, to add concealed weapons to the already problematic issue of road rage?

And let's think about domestic violence situations, which threaten the very core of our society: the family unit. Is it wise to make it lawful for domestic partners who are at or near the boiling point to arm themselves while out in public, so that when they do boil over, the gun can be used with possibly deadly results?

Throw in overindulgence in alcohol, something our state lawmakers address almost every legislative session, and the mix of concealed weapons, human emotions and intoxication becomes a certain disaster.

It sure sounds like Ms. Schultz and I are on the same page. I've mentioned those very things in my Famous 10% post.

What's your opinion? Is Wisconsin going to join the other states which allow concealed carry? Why have they been so slow in adopting this legislation? Do you think the majority of Wisconsin citizens agree with Peggy Schultz?

Please leave a comment.

16 comments:

  1. Concealed carry hasn't caused problems elsewhere in the country, why would it be a "public safety" issue in Wisconsin?

    Can you or Peggy provide data that shows concealed carry increasing violent crime rates (I.E. negatively impacting "public safety"?)

    If not then you and Ms. Schultz are doing no more than engaging in hysterical, unsubstantiated fearmongering.

    "THE SKY IS FALLING!, THE SKY IS FALLING!!".......except in reality it isn't.

    Wisconsin gun owners could all open carry, but I suspect you and Ms. Schultz would dislike that even more than allowing CCW.

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  2. What do ANY of those situations described have to do with concealed carry that couldn't also be done with open carry?

    Is there a rash of road rage shootings due to open carry?

    Is there an increase in domestic violence due to open carry?

    Is there an increase in drunken shootouts due to open carry?

    "It sure sounds like Ms. Schultz and I are on the same page."

    Yep...a complete and total lack of basic logic.

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  3. BTW - If someone is willing to shoot someone in a road rage incident the issuance of a CCW permit is going to be meaningless.

    Ditto for domestic violence. the vast majority of the time that will occur within the home correct? So how would CCW make any difference one way or another? Do you think folks without permits will say "shucks, I don't have a carry permit, guess I can't kill my wife?"

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  4. So, why not put up the statistics from the other 48 states that show road rage incidents with firearms, domestic violence with firearms, and drinking with firearms went up after passing concealed carry laws? I don't even care if the stats break it out by CCW holders and non CCW holders. Just show some proof that these increased in the other states.

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  5. From the linked article...

    "The National Rifle Association and others who want to give Wisconsinites the right to carry concealed weapons often cite the Second Amendment as their justification."

    The NRA is INCAPABLE of giving anybody any Rights.

    Words matter.

    "Is it possible to know what motivated the framers of the Constitution?"

    Yes, it is. It's called historical research; something that is loathe to both the author of this article and this blog.

    "Many constitutional scholars believe the Second Amendment was strictly a means to ensure that individual states could maintain the militias that had been formed at the time of the revolution."

    Yet another person who has not read the Heller decision.

    "The background check law is a no-brainer."

    Have you read the House version of legislation introduced earlier this year?

    Have you read the Senate version of this bill introduced earlier this year?

    Do you feel comfortable blogging about a piece of legislation that you have not read?

    Just wondering.

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  6. She forgot "blood flowing in the streets", "wild west justice" and all the other nightmarish dilemmas that we were warned of when other states passed concealed carry.

    Actually, Wisconsin has passed it but their governor keeps vetoing it. It is only a matter of time.

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  7. Mike W. said, "BTW - If someone is willing to shoot someone in a road rage incident the issuance of a CCW permit is going to be meaningless."

    I think you're purposefully missing the point again as an arguing strategy. I'll explain. If CCW permits are allowed more people will have guns on them while driving and more incidents will occur. Get it?

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  8. "I'll explain. If CCW permits are allowed more people will have guns on them while driving and more incidents will occur. Get it?"

    No, I don't think you get it.

    I could say this crystal on my desk cures cancer. Without proof I'd be lying.

    So I propose everybody who carries a gun ALSO carries an Amethyst Crystal, it will protect them from conventional weapons, and reduces road rage by 100%!

    Will you put up an ad banner for my Amethyst Crystals, MikeB?

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  9. "I think you're purposefully missing the point again as an arguing strategy. I'll explain. If CCW permits are allowed more people will have guns on them while driving and more incidents will occur. Get it?"

    Yet that hasn't happened in 48 other states that have some form of concealed carry.

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  10. "If CCW permits are allowed more people will have guns on them"

    Prove it.

    "and more incidents will occur"

    Prove it.

    Get it?

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  11. Typical "BLOOD IN THE STREETS" predictions from MikeB.

    Funny, both gun ownership and CCW have increased greatly over the last 2 decades without any of the fearmongering BS MikeB and his ilk spout actually coming true.

    You'd think at some point they'd enter reality and stop making the same old predictions.

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  12. Isn't Wisconsin an open carry state?

    Anyone who wants to carry a gun can carry one anyway. Adding concealed carry isn't going to change much.

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  13. Mike, you ask people's opinons and ask them to comment, but you barely reply to the points they raise or the questions they ask. What game are you playing?

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  14. No game-playing here, Guav. You may be right that I haven't kept up with the discussions as well as I should have. I'm doin' my best.

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  15. Aztec - WI is an OC state, as recently stated by the AG.

    That said, the political elites (I.E. petty tyrants) aren't fond of the lawful exercize of rights.

    “My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it,”

    -Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn

    Chief Flynn is no more than a thug, a criminal acting under color of law, as are any officers who carry out the orders laid forth in his above statement.

    As a practical matter, do you really have a right if you will be harrassed (or worse) by the police should you choose to lawfully OC in Milwaukee?

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  16. Sorry, link to the quote in question is below.

    http://www.kenoshanews.com/news/opencarry_ruling_triggers_gun_debate_4800679.html

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