Hmm . . . "worse than the Michael Brown shooting," we're to believe, but I haven't heard about any rioting, any low income people being put out of work because their workplace was set on fire. Curious.
"Confronted by officers, the two men with Taylor held up their hands, while Taylor alone was "noncompliant."
"Body-cam video shows that Taylor turned toward officers with his hands in his pants before hoisting his shirt — a gesture officers are trained to recognize as a possible weapon-draw. "Nothing that Mr. Taylor did assisted in de-escalating the situation," Gill said. "If anything, it escalated things." Taylor’s shooting was justified, Gill said, not because he posed an actual threat, but because Cruz reasonably perceived a threat. "Officer Cruz’s belief that Dillon Taylor was armed with a gun and intended to use it against the officers was reinforced by Dillon’s actions and the acts of others," Gill wrote in a letter to Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. "By the time Dillon drew his hands from his waistband, Officer Cruz’s belief that Dillon was presenting a weapon [and ... would use the weapon against officers] was reasonable"
Police have to hold out longer than that. The kid was pulling up his pants so that he could get down on the ground like he was ordered to. An officer can draw and be ready if someone makes a move for their waistband, but the trigger should not be pulled unless they see a gun.
I Never said it was Mike..It was meant to be a comment on some community's willingness to destroy their peoples lives because they are upset "Burn this bitch down" or Because they are happy about specific things such as their team winning a championship. Or just because they are being stupid at a pumpkin festival .Unlikely to see it in SLC over someone being killed by police
Hmm . . . "worse than the Michael Brown shooting," we're to believe, but I haven't heard about any rioting, any low income people being put out of work because their workplace was set on fire. Curious.
ReplyDeleteIs rioting the determining factor in what's a legitimate shooting and what's not?
DeleteI think MBIAC answered that question well enough that for me to answer as well would be reinventing the wheel.
Delete"Confronted by officers, the two men with Taylor held up their hands, while Taylor alone was "noncompliant."
ReplyDelete"Body-cam video shows that Taylor turned toward officers with his hands in his pants before hoisting his shirt — a gesture officers are trained to recognize as a possible weapon-draw.
"Nothing that Mr. Taylor did assisted in de-escalating the situation," Gill said. "If anything, it escalated things."
Taylor’s shooting was justified, Gill said, not because he posed an actual threat, but because Cruz reasonably perceived a threat.
"Officer Cruz’s belief that Dillon Taylor was armed with a gun and intended to use it against the officers was reinforced by Dillon’s actions and the acts of others," Gill wrote in a letter to Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. "By the time Dillon drew his hands from his waistband, Officer Cruz’s belief that Dillon was presenting a weapon [and ... would use the weapon against officers] was reasonable"
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-gill-cruz-hands.html.csp
And here is a frame by frame analysis of the event by the DA.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a20_1412150540
If you do stuff to convince a cop you have a gun, don't be surprised if you convince him and get shot.
If you do stuff to convince a cop you have a gun, don't be surprised if you convince him and get shot.
DeleteStephen Wenger (of this site) refers to such behavior (and its likely consequences) as "winning a lead Oscar." Sums it up nicely.
From Taylor's Facebook page as described in the article Mikeb links to, it sounds to me as if this may very well have been suicide by cop.
A tragedy, and a heavy burden to dump on the cop's shoulders.
Police have to hold out longer than that. The kid was pulling up his pants so that he could get down on the ground like he was ordered to. An officer can draw and be ready if someone makes a move for their waistband, but the trigger should not be pulled unless they see a gun.
DeleteOk, the video is showing a different story than I read earlier. I'll withdraw my judgment for now.
DeleteWhat TS said in his first comment is right. You other guys are desperate to justify shooters even when they act prematurely.
DeleteYep--sounding more and more like suicide by cop all the time.
ReplyDeleteIf Mikeb truly thinks this is "worse than the Michael Brown shooting," it's almost as if he's saying that the Brown shooting was perfectly justified.
waiting on the rioting and looting and churches to be set on fire....chirp chirp chirp
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That has nothing to do with it. As I said to Kurt, the public reaction is not the yardstick with which we judge shootings.
DeleteI Never said it was Mike..It was meant to be a comment on some community's willingness to destroy their peoples lives because they are upset "Burn this bitch down" or Because they are happy about specific things such as their team winning a championship. Or just because they are being stupid at a pumpkin festival .Unlikely to see it in SLC over someone
Deletebeing killed by police
MBIAC......
MBIAC...........
Blame all these dead black people shot by cops on suicide by cop. Now there's a racist comment, but then Kurt already admitted he is racist.
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