Note to self, when the police are pointing guns at you, holding the door shut and telling you to not move, as in stay in the car, pushing the door open and getting out and walking towards the officer probably isn't wise.
All that's true but the cop sounded out of control throughout. They need better screening and training in order to be cool and calm when facing possible threats. This guy was raging long before there was any indication that the threat was real. And it's even questionable if it ever became real.
I wasn't hearing rage there Mike. Keep in mind that he was dealing with an event in which he had no control. The passenger was not complying even with a gun pointed at him. There cant be any question the officers were cognizant of recent events regarding using deadly force. He gave several quite pointed warnings and they were all ignored.
In most of these cases the cops are screaming and that could be seen as raging out of control, but a quiet tone won't get a persons attention.I can't see from this video if the guy had a gun, or not, the cop said he did. Certainly someone should not be shot just because they didn't follow a cops order to stay in the car, but if he had a gun and didn't follow the cops demand, that's different.
No it's not different. The question is not if the guy had a gun in the glove box or even in his hand, the question is was lethal threat operative. Cops and other gun owners often shoot prematurely or innecessarliy and afterwards insist they felt threatened.
If the gun is in his hand I think that's certainly a lethal threat. Totally agree with your last sentence. I'm not comfortable taking only the cops word, but prosecutors and judges will.
First mistake was driving around with a gun in the glove compartment. Wouldn't that be illegal in all fifty? It's specifically illegal to even have an open container of alcohol in the glove in California.
Second mistake. Carrying a gun in an automobile. Simple traffic stop ended a life. I am assuming New Jersey isn't exactly gun-happy paradise.
Cops don't like it. Period. Would you want to try to figure out if a suspect was a desperate, wild criminal, or just another idiot carrying his guns around?
I call if justifiable. Policemen have a right to go home at the end of their shifts.
This man should have told the officer he had a gun in the glove compartment, not just opened it up.
Guns don't belong in cars. There are extremist states where it's legal. It's even legal in California with a permit.
I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach. And, no, my church is not gun-friendly. Nobody is carrying a weapon. Everybody just seems happy to be outside on a sunny day. Guns? Why? Who do we need to kill?
There are extremist states where it's legal. It's even legal in California with a permit.
With a permit, it's legal in every state in the country--even extremist anti-liberty states like California.
I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach. And, no, my church is not gun-friendly.
No set of laws can produce that "gun-free utopia" you fantasize about, although laws are quite good for promising the killer a soft target.
"I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach.".... FJ How others are exercising their rights is none of your business no matter how much you want to stick your nose into others lives those nuts as you call them are Americans with rights
Note to self, when the police are pointing guns at you, holding the door shut and telling you to not move, as in stay in the car, pushing the door open and getting out and walking towards the officer probably isn't wise.
ReplyDeleteAll that's true but the cop sounded out of control throughout. They need better screening and training in order to be cool and calm when facing possible threats. This guy was raging long before there was any indication that the threat was real. And it's even questionable if it ever became real.
DeleteI wasn't hearing rage there Mike. Keep in mind that he was dealing with an event in which he had no control. The passenger was not complying even with a gun pointed at him. There cant be any question the officers were cognizant of recent events regarding using deadly force.
DeleteHe gave several quite pointed warnings and they were all ignored.
What you call "quite pointed" I call raging out of control.
DeleteIn most of these cases the cops are screaming and that could be seen as raging out of control, but a quiet tone won't get a persons attention.I can't see from this video if the guy had a gun, or not, the cop said he did. Certainly someone should not be shot just because they didn't follow a cops order to stay in the car, but if he had a gun and didn't follow the cops demand, that's different.
DeleteNo it's not different. The question is not if the guy had a gun in the glove box or even in his hand, the question is was lethal threat operative. Cops and other gun owners often shoot prematurely or innecessarliy and afterwards insist they felt threatened.
DeleteIf the gun is in his hand I think that's certainly a lethal threat. Totally agree with your last sentence. I'm not comfortable taking only the cops word, but prosecutors and judges will.
DeleteThese guys will get away with murder also because apparently there was a firearm in the vehicle
ReplyDeleteFirst mistake was driving around with a gun in the glove compartment. Wouldn't that be illegal in all fifty? It's specifically illegal to even have an open container of alcohol in the glove in California.
ReplyDeleteSecond mistake. Carrying a gun in an automobile. Simple traffic stop ended a life. I am assuming New Jersey isn't exactly gun-happy paradise.
Cops don't like it. Period. Would you want to try to figure out if a suspect was a desperate, wild criminal, or just another idiot carrying his guns around?
I call if justifiable. Policemen have a right to go home at the end of their shifts.
Cops don't like it. Period.
DeleteAnd therefore, cops are perfectly justified in killing anyone who does it, apparently.
Say . . . Junior, some people do things I don't like. Period. It's cool if I gun them down, right?
This man should have told the officer he had a gun in the glove compartment, not just opened it up.
DeleteGuns don't belong in cars. There are extremist states where it's legal. It's even legal in California with a permit.
I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach. And, no, my church is not gun-friendly. Nobody is carrying a weapon. Everybody just seems happy to be outside on a sunny day. Guns? Why? Who do we need to kill?
There are extremist states where it's legal. It's even legal in California with a permit.
DeleteWith a permit, it's legal in every state in the country--even extremist anti-liberty states like California.
I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach. And, no, my church is not gun-friendly.
No set of laws can produce that "gun-free utopia" you fantasize about, although laws are quite good for promising the killer a soft target.
"I like knowing that there aren't any nuts with guns lurking around in grocery stores, department stores, in parks, restaurants or at the beach.".... FJ How others are exercising their rights is none of your business no matter how much you want to stick your nose into others lives those nuts as you call them are Americans with rights
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