Honestly, I think Ammoland has a valid point. Gun owners in the U.S.A. are every bit as diversified as anybody else. I mean, jeepers creepers, I could buy a gun any time I wanted to. I certainly feel diversified enough for a white, middle-aged fat fuck. We also have people of other races and national origins in the U.S.A. What unites us is the fact that we are all Americans. We love our country and respect our differences.
Ammoland “Our non-firearm political causes are all over the map.”
I’m sure that is true particularly in local government, water rights and foreign policy. How many gun people support Hillary Clinton for president?
Ammoland “We are as many as half of all Americans, owning well over 300 million guns.
I guess it is closer to one third. You can’t just factor in children as gun owners in households with more than two or three guns. I guess some people buy guns for children under the age of twelve. Thank God that is not commonplace
One out of three. That’s still a lot of people. Why did Ammoland have to exaggerate?
Ammoland “We are unusually law-abiding.”
Well… As much as we all appreciate your admirable restraint in not using your guns to kill other Americans on a day-to-day basis, just what makes you think that you have the lock on obeying the law? I know that a lot of people simply do not break the law, ever. But most of us do whatever it is that we feel is our right and that we can get away with without causing harm or attracting undue attention. I’m calling bullshit on this one.
NBC “And in the West, California had the lowest rate of gun ownership at 20 percent, while nearly 62 percent of Alaskans said they had a gun.”
Excuse me, but Alaska is not the West. It’s the land of the midnight sun!
Ammoland “To some degree, we all stereotype others (positively and negatively). These thumbnail assumptions can help us respond customarily to others without needing to give it much thought. That’s the problem, too, of course. We recognize this most when it is applied to us.”
Fair enough. Unfair stereotypes only serve to dumb down the national discussion. The right by no means has a monopoly on restrictive and unproductive thought.
I agree that “How Gun Advocates Sound to Normal People” is a pathetic and misleading attempt to pigeonhole gun owners. Most of the satirical quotes are old memes taken from the internet and popular culture. Who ever heard a real person say any of this stuff?
I commend you on a pretty reasoned analysis of the article.
How many gun people support Hillary Clinton for president?
Purely anecdotal, but I used to spend a bit of time reading through DemocraticUnderground and Daily Kos. I think you might be surprised at how many firearm owners are on the left.
You're naive if you think those characters who dominate the gun pages of Democratic Underground and Daily Kos are "on the left." They're mostly conservative trolls and dominant enough on those lefty sites to have gotten me kicked off.
The culture is becoming steadily more diverse as it moves away from the old stereotype made into law mainly by Democrats during the Jim Crow era that minorities should be kept unarmed and powerless so that terror groups supported by the local governments in the form of the KKK can keep them from excercising their basic individual rights. Fortunately, there are many examples of those who were unwilling to allow this to happen and took up arms to defend their neighborhoods against these terrorists. And that is exactly what the Klan was fitting the classic definition of such by utilizing violence to serve a political agenda. And as the culture has become more diverse, so have their spokespersons such as Colion Noir, Julie Golub, Chris Cheng, and the Rev. Ken Blanchard. This diversification is also becoming more evident when looking at demographic data from the gun industry and even from carry permits issued by states. This is more proof that the gun culture isn't shrinking because this results in completely new classes of people choosing to exercise their rights that are buying these firearms, and not merely the same "old white guys" buying extra guns. So it's getting better. My home state of Minnesota is showing that in the demographic information for its carry permits with the percentage of women steadily increasing. And at a local level, the local gun store I frequent has seen enough demand to offer women's only basic firearm and carry permit classes.
The supposed diversification, proven beyond a doubt by a handful of token representatives, is nonsense. Stereotypes don't come into existence by accident.
By the way, it's curious that they use a Michael Moore look-alike, clean shaven though he may be, to stereotype a "typical" gun owner. I suppose it saves on having to rethink the stereotype to fit reality.
Maybe I was going a little easy on the other side. We have been accused of politicizing massacres and mass murders simply for bringing up the age-old debate during the first few dark days of mourning.
Stereotypes are built on real life facts. Given the stories today about the abusers of guns that cause injury and death, the stereotype is proven correct.
Honestly, I think Ammoland has a valid point. Gun owners in the U.S.A. are every bit as diversified as anybody else. I mean, jeepers creepers, I could buy a gun any time I wanted to. I certainly feel diversified enough for a white, middle-aged fat fuck. We also have people of other races and national origins in the U.S.A. What unites us is the fact that we are all Americans. We love our country and respect our differences.
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“Our non-firearm political causes are all over the map.”
I’m sure that is true particularly in local government, water rights and foreign policy. How many gun people support Hillary Clinton for president?
Ammoland
“We are as many as half of all Americans, owning well over 300 million guns.
I guess it is closer to one third. You can’t just factor in children as gun owners in households with more than two or three guns. I guess some people buy guns for children under the age of twelve. Thank God that is not commonplace
NBC
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031
One out of three. That’s still a lot of people. Why did Ammoland have to exaggerate?
Ammoland
“We are unusually law-abiding.”
Well… As much as we all appreciate your admirable restraint in not using your guns to kill other Americans on a day-to-day basis, just what makes you think that you have the lock on obeying the law? I know that a lot of people simply do not break the law, ever. But most of us do whatever it is that we feel is our right and that we can get away with without causing harm or attracting undue attention. I’m calling bullshit on this one.
NBC
“And in the West, California had the lowest rate of gun ownership at 20 percent, while nearly 62 percent of Alaskans said they had a gun.”
Excuse me, but Alaska is not the West. It’s the land of the midnight sun!
Ammoland
“To some degree, we all stereotype others (positively and negatively). These thumbnail assumptions can help us respond customarily to others without needing to give it much thought. That’s the problem, too, of course. We recognize this most when it is applied to us.”
Fair enough. Unfair stereotypes only serve to dumb down the national discussion. The right by no means has a monopoly on restrictive and unproductive thought.
I agree that “How Gun Advocates Sound to Normal People” is a pathetic and misleading attempt to pigeonhole gun owners. Most of the satirical quotes are old memes taken from the internet and popular culture. Who ever heard a real person say any of this stuff?
I commend you on a pretty reasoned analysis of the article.
DeleteHow many gun people support Hillary Clinton for president?
Purely anecdotal, but I used to spend a bit of time reading through DemocraticUnderground and Daily Kos. I think you might be surprised at how many firearm owners are on the left.
You're naive if you think those characters who dominate the gun pages of Democratic Underground and Daily Kos are "on the left." They're mostly conservative trolls and dominant enough on those lefty sites to have gotten me kicked off.
DeleteThey're mostly conservative trolls and dominant enough on those lefty sites to have gotten me kicked off.
DeleteAww--poor, persecuted Mikeb, the victim of a "Right Wing conspiracy" on Daily Kos. Pure comedic gold.
That's really what happened. I realize you might enjoy it, but what can I say.
Delete. . .but what can I say.
DeleteIf I remember correctly, you enjoy saying "grandiose victimism." You could say that, and this time it would actually be accurate.
The culture is becoming steadily more diverse as it moves away from the old stereotype made into law mainly by Democrats during the Jim Crow era that minorities should be kept unarmed and powerless so that terror groups supported by the local governments in the form of the KKK can keep them from excercising their basic individual rights.
ReplyDeleteFortunately, there are many examples of those who were unwilling to allow this to happen and took up arms to defend their neighborhoods against these terrorists. And that is exactly what the Klan was fitting the classic definition of such by utilizing violence to serve a political agenda.
And as the culture has become more diverse, so have their spokespersons such as Colion Noir, Julie Golub, Chris Cheng, and the Rev. Ken Blanchard. This diversification is also becoming more evident when looking at demographic data from the gun industry and even from carry permits issued by states.
This is more proof that the gun culture isn't shrinking because this results in completely new classes of people choosing to exercise their rights that are buying these firearms, and not merely the same "old white guys" buying extra guns.
So it's getting better. My home state of Minnesota is showing that in the demographic information for its carry permits with the percentage of women steadily increasing. And at a local level, the local gun store I frequent has seen enough demand to offer women's only basic firearm and carry permit classes.
The supposed diversification, proven beyond a doubt by a handful of token representatives, is nonsense. Stereotypes don't come into existence by accident.
DeleteStereotypes don't come into existence by accident.
DeleteTrue--they're the ugly offspring of bigotry and intellectual laziness.
By the way, it's curious that they use a Michael Moore look-alike, clean shaven though he may be, to stereotype a "typical" gun owner. I suppose it saves on having to rethink the stereotype to fit reality.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I was going a little easy on the other side. We have been accused of politicizing massacres and mass murders simply for bringing up the age-old debate during the first few dark days of mourning.
ReplyDeleteStereotypes are built on real life facts. Given the stories today about the abusers of guns that cause injury and death, the stereotype is proven correct.
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