A Busy Day - Another Murder Suicide, this one in Wisconsin, another lax gun law state

But I'm sure that the gun loons are only gripping their fetish objects even tighter, because no reason, no logic, no appeal will separate them from the fantasy into which they retreat with their gun delusions.

How many more instances of murder and suicide is that just today, compared to self defense uses of firearms? Not a good ratio apparently, but one that argues strongly for more gun regulation and fewer guns.

But heck, what are a few dead wives and some kids, so long as they have their precious guns, right? To the gun nuts, only their guns are important, not other lives.

And I've only started to scratch the surface of these gun violent events in the news........

from HTRN news:

Police: De Pere dad who killed wife, kids, self, was being kicked out

DE PERE — Denis Bay’s wife was throwing him out of the house on the day he shot and killed his wife and two children before committing suicide, De Pere police have concluded.
Long-running marital troubles were a primary source of stress leading up to the Feb. 3 murder-suicide that left the four family members dead in their east-side home, Police Chief Derek Beiderwieden said Wednesday.

Although investigators cannot pinpoint Bay’s exact motive, Beiderwieden said, his wife’s decision to throw him out of the house that day appears to be “the trigger.”

“When you piece it all together, it kind of makes sense,” the chief said.

The couple was in the middle of a divorce after almost 20 years of marriage.

De Pere police are wrapping up their investigation into the incident in which Bay, 46, shot and killed his wife, Michelle, 44, their daughter, Andrea, 14, and their son, Daniel, 10, before shooting and killing himself.

Beiderwieden said the murder weapon was a .45-caliber handgun that Michelle had bought for her husband as a gift three years earlier.

Rev. Matthew Knapp, a spokesman for the Bay family, said there would be no comment on the results of the police investigation.

De Pere police timeline

The following is a timeline of the incident released today by De Pere police. It is presented verbatim and is not edited in any way.

We have developed a timeline of the events leading up to the shooting at 1245 S Erie St on February 3, 2012.

Background: Denis and Michelle Bay had been having marital problems for quite some time according to family, friends and neighbors. Michelle had moved out of the house with the kids sometime around October 2010, but moved back in around September 2011. They owned the house at 1245 S Erie since December 1999. There were some serious money issues – Denis lost his job at Krueger Industries on March 31, 2011. He was employed as a Business Process Engineer starting October 19, 1998. He was let go due to “elimination of position as a result of consolidation of resources.”

Another Instance of Gun Culture Violence

In our gun culture, a gun is a means to power over other people.  It is true of lawful gun owners and criminal gun owners, a common denominator that we saw in the lap top shooting dad's behavior.  The way in which guns are used for dominance are the defining characteristic of the American gun culture, not the fantasy of guns but the reality.

Here is a horror story of one more gun owner, a man who does not appear to have prior criminal convictions, a man who is a part of the more macho gun culture variation unique to Texas.  This man wants us to believe that he has good sides to him -- as we know our gun nuts like to claim for themselves and their fellow gun lunatics, as justification we should trust them -- and that he meant well in a coulda shoulda woulda kind of way.... you know......except for the parts where he didn't, which seems to be true of so much of the gun violence.

From the Huff Post and the AP:

Jeffrey Allan Maxwell Trial: Texas Torture Suspect Says He Considered Freeing Neighbor

Jeffrey Maxwell is accused of kidnapping and torturing a former neighbor.

By ANGELA K. BROWN   02/17/12 07:03 AM ET Associated Press 

WEATHERFORD, Texas -- A Texas man said he never planned to kill his former neighbor and thought about freeing her after he kidnapped and sexually assaulted her, according to his audio-recorded interview with investigators that was played at his trial.
Jeffrey Allan Maxwell was initially vague about how the woman got to his Corsicana home, about 50 miles south of Dallas, and said they had consensual sex during what he said was a four-day stay. But gradually he acknowledged that he'd held her captive and caused the severe bruises visible on the woman when she was rescued last March.
She ran outside when authorities went to Maxwell's house to question him about her disappearance after her house burned down. She had been missing for 12 days.
"I wanted to let her go, but with all her bruises, I thought ..." Maxwell is heard saying on the recording played for jurors Thursday, his voice trailing off.
In the recording, Maxwell says that he abducted the woman from her home about 100 miles away, handcuffed her and pulled out a gun when she briefly escaped, then forced her into his vehicle. After arriving at his house, he hoisted her in the air on a device for skinning animals and sexually assaulted her, he told the investigator.

Then Maxwell is asked if the woman actually agreed to sex after the ordeal in his garage. "I didn't ask her. I had her gagged," Maxwell is heard saying on the recording.The 59-year-old is charged with aggravated kidnapping and two counts of aggravated sexual assault. If convicted, he would face up to life in prison. Prosecutors were to present more evidence Friday.

He told the investigator that he chained her only at night and she read the Bible and prayed during the day. He acknowledged that she had not left his house and that nobody knew she was there.

When asked why he told authorities he was alone when they arrived at his house, he answered: "Because you caught me by surprise. She'd been there 10 days, and I wasn't expecting you. Like I said, I got myself into something I couldn't figure out how to get out of."

He said the woman asked "all the time" if he was going to kill her, but he never planned to. He told the investigator that he regretted the abduction.

"I was sitting around every day trying to figure out how to get out of this," he told the investigator.

On the recording, Maxwell repeatedly denied torching the woman's house. But he said that during the kidnapping, he wiped down the house to remove his fingerprints and took her telephone.

Tony Bradford, the Texas Rangers investigator in charge of the case, did most of the talking during the interview.

The woman earlier testified that Maxwell hit her with a rolling pin and handcuffed her during the March 1 abduction from her rural home outside Weatherford, about 70 miles west of Dallas. She said he kept her in handcuffs and chained her legs to a bed, even locking her in a box when he once ran an errand. She told jurors that she bled profusely after one of the sexual assaults, which she said stopped after about a week when he became ill. Then he left her unrestrained when they were in the same room but still watched her closely, she said.

The Associated Press generally does not identify alleged victims of sexual assault.

Prosecutors and Bradford demonstrated for jurors how the woman's wrists may have been attached to the skinning device, a thin metal strip with hooks attached that hangs by a chain from the ceiling.

Investigators have testified that they found whips, chains, sex toys, duct tape, the animal-skinning device, blood-stained sheets and guns in Maxwell's house.

More Florida Gun Crime

I remind readers, every gun started out legal.  Every crime is because someone either used a legally obtained firearm for illegal purposes, which is common, or because they did not sufficiently exercise care in securing their firearm or in transferring their firearms to another legal owner for legal purposes.

We have so many illegal firearms, because we have so many legal ones.  In countries where there are fewer firearms, FREE countries, developed countries, there are far fewer crimes committed with firearms.  Their crime rate is lower, or involves far less serious force when it does occur than our gun violence.

These crimes, the notion that a firearm gives one person power over another, is the essence of our gun culture; it is entirely about controlling people, coercing people, threatening people, and if the world doesn't go your way, killing or injuring people.

From Ch 6 Miami News:

Two Men Sexually Assaulted Woman in Lauderdale Lakes: BSO

The sexual battery occurred in Lauderdale Lakes

By Lisa Orkin Emmanuel

|  Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012  |  Updated 1:48 PM EST

Broward Sheriff's Office

The Broward Sheriff's Office is investigating the rape.

Broward Sheriff's Office deputies were investigating Wednesday after a woman was sexually assaulted in Lauderdale Lakes by two men last week.

The 48-year-old woman was on State Road 7 at One United Bank at 2412 N.on Feb. 9. She was at the location at 5:30 a.m. to meet a coworker who was going to drive her to work, the sheriff's office said in a statement.

Two men approached her, one on a bicycle and another by foot. One man pointed a gun at her and forced her behind bushes near a drive-through teller, authorities said.

The second man hit and choked her. They sexually battered her and stole her phone and pocketbook before fleeing, the sheriff's office said.

Both men were dressed in black. Anyone with information was asked to contact authorities

Avoidable Firearm Injury - No Surprise, It's Gun-Lunatic Haven, Florida, AGAIN

An observation, as someone who has retrained dangerous dogs that are either people aggressive or dog aggressive (or both), MOST of the people who keep pit bulls (or other 'bully breeds' as they are commonly known) have as little understanding of how to safely keep a dog for self defense as they do firearms in this instance.  Like their owners and the owner's firearms, the dogs become a danger to themselves and the humans around them, instead of protecting anyone.  It is part and parcel of the same delusion, the same sick fantasy as the one embraced by the gun lunatics, who are so prevalent and who run amok in Florida injuring and killing people - like the woman shot in the head in Church.

We hear continuous claims about guns used for SELF DEFENSE!  "We GOTSA have our GUNS!  We just GOTSA!", claim the gun lunatics, over and over and over.

When things go badly - or go south, to use the colloquial expression for abysmal failure - the gun lunatics never accept the responsibility, never take the blame, never acknowledge that they were not safe or secure with their fetish object firearms.  They only focus on their fantasy that guns will save them and their loved ones, ignoring the dreadful reality that guns more often harm, or kill, those they claim to desire to protect.

They never admit they are not as competent as they want us to believe they are.  They never admit that they have accidents, that they don't hit what they are aiming at, that they are not the superheroes they see themselves as in their imagination, in their fevered wanna-be hero fantasies.  The reality is so much different, so much more destructive of innocent people, than that fantasy.


Guns don't make us safer, gun lunatics are as much a danger as any danger they use as a pretext for their fetish object.  But it is perfectly ok with them if others die or are injured or in fear, so long as they have that damned fetish object on their hip. 

It is too damned bad that this jerk won't lose his firearms AND dogs after this incident, but that's too much to expect in the currently uncivilized violent gun culture rampant across Florida. They try to put lipstick on the pig of that gun culture, but it is nothing more than a violent, uncivilized decline from developed civilization in the 21st century.  Too bad for Florida, too bad for the status and civilizations of places like it.

They're not free; they're just backward.  The greatest danger to Billy and his family and his neighbors is......Billy.

From  Florida, by way of NBC Miami and MSNBC.com  :

Cops: Fla. man shoots at pit bulls, hits 84-year-old mother

84-year-old Florida woman tried to intervene when dogs started fighting

By Amara Sohn

NBCMIAMI.com

updated 2/15/2012 5:47:27 AM ET 2012-02-15T10:47:27

A man accidentally shot his elderly mother while trying to break up fighting pit bulls inside their home in Plantation, Florida, Tuesday night, police said.

The son told NBC Miami that he and his mother have seven pit bulls in their house; they own three and take care of four for friends.
The dogs became aggressive and started fighting each other Tuesday night, Plantation Police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig said.
The 84-year-old mother tried to separate them, and her 50-year-old son used a pistol to shoot at the dogs, but ended up hitting his mother, Rettig said.
The son, Billy, who only wanted to give his first name, said his bullet hit his mother in the leg.
"I saw the dogs were fighting. She was on the ground," Billy said.
"And I tried to break them up, and the one dog came at me," and with time of the essence, he shot, he said.
Read more news at NBC Miami
She was taken to a hospital with injuries that are not believed to be life-threatening, Rettig said, while cautioning that her injuries could be more serious because she is older.
Billy and his mom live in a gated home that looks more like a compound, with many signs that warn of the dogs.
Billy said he doesn’t feel safe in the area, so that is why he keeps the pit bulls for protection.
No charges are pending, police said.

Bad Dad Using a Firearm Inappropriately to Punish Daughter

What does this tell us about the gun lunatic mentality? 

It tells us that they see guns as giving them the power to hurt.
It tells us that they see guns as giving them a power to punish, threaten, intimidate, harass and retaliate.

This is an inappropriate firearm discharge. This teaches a bad lesson about firearms, and it goes a long way towards explaining why firearms are so closely involved in domestic abuse cases.  This is the same exact problem with all the murder suicides, differing only in degree but not in kind or in philosophy. 

It is an excellent representation of the mindset that is the problem with the so-called legal gun owners.

This father should not have a gun.  I stop short of saying he shouldn't have a daughter either; he may otherwise be a better parent than this example of his parenting skills.  But at the very least he screwed up here, badly.

What lesson does this example teach his daughter? That if I get a gun, I can hurt you back, I can use it to cause you pain and distress, either hurting you directly or using it to hurt what you care about.

What it does NOT say is that this firearm is here to keep you safe.  It says, in fact, quite the opposite.  It says my firearm can make you my victim.  It says do what I say or I will harm you, directly or indirectly, with my firearm.

Bad Dad. 

I have no problems with a parent objecting to social media participation.  I have no problem with a parent restricting their child's computer use.  But I have a problem with the destruction of that child's property, particularly if the child paid for it. That sends the wrong message.  Destruction of property with a firearm sends the wrong message as well, regardless of the parental relationship.  This appears to be much closer to revenge than good parental discipline.

If this turns out to be a bogus video, then it still represents what is far to common a philosophy among gun owners, that it gives them power over other people, both their own persons, and their property, and that it allows them to intimidate and threaten others to get their way.

From Digital Life Today:

Dad punishes Facebook post with 8 bullets to daughter's laptop

By Bob Sullivan

A video purporting to be the work of an angry father teaching his daughter a lesson by shooting bullets through her laptop is the viral video of day. The father, who identifies himself as Tommy Jordan, says his daughter broke ground rules when using Facebook, and posted disrespectful remarks about him there.

He retaliates by laying out a case against her in an 8-minute video, concluding it with firing 8 bullets through her computer.  The video was posted on YouTube and supposedly on the 15-year-old girl’s Facebook page last night. By mid-morning, it had more than 1 million views, and it sparked debate across the Web – some cheered on the father’s "tough love," while others accused him of abuse.

As this video continues to blow up on the Internet, we are investigating whether this is a real parent or some sort of stunt. We’ll explore this issue in depth later today in Red Tape Chronicles.

Tell us what you think. Is this appropriate parenting, abuse ... or somewhere in between? How do you, as a parent, a teen, a teacher or someone who cares, deal with conflicts between Facebook and "the real world?"

And here is a relatively recent murder suicide from 'bama involving gun violence

This is from a few months ago, but it isn't that old.  I post it here to raise awareness of the frequency with which these occur.

From MSNBC.com and 13.com:

UPDATE: Victims named in apparent murder-suicide involving cop

By: Shannon Delcambre , Hilary Golston | Alabama's13.com
Published: September 07, 2011

BIRMINGHAM - The Irondale Police Department reports a Birmingham police detective apparently shot his wife and then turned the gun on himself.
The corner's office says 41-year-old "Rodney Jerome Wilson" shot his 23-year old wife, "Uteva Monique Wilson" at their Irondale home this morning.
It happened about 3:00 a.m. CT Wednesday at the Enclave at Mountain Brook apartments. Irondale Police arrived in the 3,000 block of Sharpsburg Circle.
The IPD says the Birmingham officer worked as a burglary detective, and allegedly shot and killed his wife.
The Birmingham officer then called his dispatchers who in turn, called Irondale Police to say there had been an officer involved shooting.
Two children, a little boy and a little girl were at home during the shooting, but police report they stayed in their rooms.
Birmingham Police called Irondale Police to respond, and when they arrived, they found the Birmingham Officer dead from a gunshot wound.
The owner of a store near where Det. Wilson lived reported seeing the couple. Eric Walker says it appeared Wilson was chivalrous towards his wife and the couple didn’t appear to have trouble.
"He'd come in every morning before going to work. He'd come and get a Welch’s grape juice, sometimes he'd get a coffee,” Walker told Alabama 13’s Hilary Golston. “He seemed to me to be a mild mannered man.”
A nearby day care facility also confirmed to Golston that the facility took care of two small children. A woman at the daycare said Wilson did most of the talking when they came to pick up the kids and he paid. Besides that, she didn’t see any visible problems between the two.
Neighbors did tell us, off camera, that they had witnessed the couple having marital problems in the past.
Wilson had been with Birmingham Police for 10.5 years.

Hold people accountable for this kind of gun violence AFTER they're dead? Yeah, right.

That's too little, too damned late for all the people whose rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness are damaged by the people using guns, with access to guns, with too easy availability of guns.  It is way too damned late and it's way too damned little.  It is way too damned little weight that is given to the rights of the victims, and way too much weight given to the people with these guns to have them.  Holding them accountable after they've done the damage is NOT an acceptable or remotely reasonable response.