Thursday, August 5, 2010

VA Concealed Carry Training

The Washington Post published a very enjoyable op-ed by Courtland Milloy.

As a first step toward getting a permit to carry a concealed handgun in Virginia, I recently completed a state-approved firearms safety class. Might as well get my Roscoe and shoulder holster ready because I nailed that test.

Two main points:

1. The required training is practically worthless, and
2. The chances of needing a gun to save your life are very small.

What's your opinion? Did you spot any other message in his article?

Please leave a comment.

26 comments:

  1. MikeB: “2. The chances of needing a gun to save your life are very small.”

    …but the consequences are life and death.

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  2. "What's your opinion? Did you spot any other message in his article?"

    Yes, that the author is a moonbat idiot. What the hell is a "roscoe" anyway?

    "At first, I just wanted to learn more about the Virginia law that went into effect last month allowing concealed-gun permit holders to go armed into restaurants and bars as long as they don't drink."

    Virginia did not have a prohibition on carrying a gun in a restaurant that serves alcohol as long as the gun holder did not drink. What the law said was that you could not conceal it. Therefore everyone who wished to do so had to carry their gun n the open.

    The "new law" that took effect changes nothing other than now you can keep your gun concealed.

    "Who, besides a trained law enforcement officer, would even want to do such a thing?"

    Why would a trained law enforcement officer want to carry a concealed firearm in a restaurant that serves alcohol? Would it not be the same answer?

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  3. “What’s a better example of sheep-like behavior than mindlessly repeating catchy one liners, regardless of their veracity?” -MikeB30200

    Bahhhh!!!

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  4. Look, anyone can become an NRA instructor. Doesn't matter how incompetent or clueless you are.

    To a large extent, this is the appeal of the NRA to many gunloons. One can accumulate all these NRA 'certifications' without having to demonstrate any real proficiency or competence. You merely pay your money and show up.

    TS: Missing from you life and death consequences is the fact guns are misused far more that they are used to save a life or prevent a crime.

    Gunloons always seem to forget that side of the equation.

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  5. "One can accumulate all these NRA 'certifications' without having to demonstrate any real proficiency or competence. You merely pay your money and show up."

    Of course you are wrong, just like you are all of the time. Do you actually read this nonsense somewhere or do you just make it up when you get up in the morning?

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  6. FWM: Of course, I'm correct--it's a gift.

    Some people collect pins from Disneyworld; gunloons collect NRA certifications. Getting either is just a matter of forking over some money. Though a case could be made that getting a Disney pin is slightly more difficult.

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  7. Jade knows this, of course, because he attended several classes and obtained several different NRA certifications. Right Jade?

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  8. "What the hell is a "roscoe" anyway?"

    You don't know what a roscoe is?

    Sheesh. It's pretty bad when gunloons don't understand their own lingo.

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  9. It's not their lingo. It's the lingo of gangsters and Hollywood.

    What specific classes did you take and what specific NRA certs do you have?

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  10. Anon: You're going to tell us that you object to the slang term "Roscoe" all the while defending gunloons who give their weapons personal names?

    M'kay.

    As to classes and certs--I've taken a bunch of 'em. And all of them have been useless and taught by folks who are a menace to themselves.

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  11. “What’s a better example of sheep-like behavior than mindlessly repeating catchy one liners, regardless of their veracity?” -MikeB30200

    Bahhhh!!!

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  12. There are two purposes for any NRA course or certification class. And neither has anything to do with safety or proficiency.

    One is to gin up NRA memberhip and money for the NRA.

    The second is to provide money to the instructor. Your most vocal gunloons are those who make a living from gunloonery.

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  13. Jade,

    You are aware that you do not have to be an NRA member to hold an Instructor Certification don't you?

    But then you would know that since you hold certifications in which disciplines?

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  14. FWM: I'm aware you don't have to be an NRA member for any course or certification. However, most instructors are and try to recruit those who are in their classes.

    But that doesn't mean the NRA doesn't get its payoff.

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  15. As to classes and certs--I've taken a bunch of 'em. And all of them have been useless and taught by folks who are a menace to themselves.

    Such as?

    Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on this one. This truth exists only in the mind of Jadegold.

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  16. Ruffy: Who cares what you think? I know I don't.

    Another thing: all NRA instructors have a great deal of latitude in how they administer/teach a class. For example, it's not uncommon for a TC to bundle several courses or certs in one training session. And let's face it, the exams are super-easy and open book. Even so, most TCs will allow 'mulligans' or do-overs for the exceptionally slow.

    Since most of these instructors are in it for the bucks, they'll form classes with large numbers of paying customers. As a result, range time instruction is almost next to nothing.

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  17. ""Let's say I'm walking alone on a street, minding my own business, got my legally concealed handgun and a lady comes out of nowhere and attacks me with a butcher knife," said Jim Reynolds, a National Rifle Association certified gun safety instructor who conducted the class. "Would I be justified in using my weapon?"

    I'd almost forgotten about that particular threat -- the crazed butcher woman out of nowhere."


    Guess he doesn't realize that it does happen, and right in D.C as well.

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  18. "Yes, that the author is a moonbat idiot. What the hell is a "roscoe" anyway?"

    I'm assuming the moonbat meant "Rosco" as in Rosco Arms, maker of pocket guns which really don't need a holster.

    The only people who still use that word tend to be really old people (Prohibition era old) or dip shit hipsters who watch too much film noir.

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  19. Ruffy: Who cares what you think? I know I don't.

    You attending NRA classes: myth, urban legend, never happened. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. Why would someone so opposed to the NRA as you are give your money for one class, let alone many classes and certifications. You're just talking out of your ass again. You've been called out many other times by me and others as being a liar. Those times you were unable to provide proof, and this time you are not either.

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  20. Jadegold: “Missing from you life and death consequences is the fact guns are misused far more that they are used to save a life or prevent a crime.”

    And what you are missing is that all the world’s crimes combined have nothing to do with the life and death consequences of that moment. Why should someone’s life be sacrificed to save another (and that is IF gun control could deliver on that promise)? Why should that be acceptable to that person in that moment?

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  21. "You're going to tell us that you object to the slang term "Roscoe" all the while defending gunloons who give their weapons personal names?"

    Never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. It makes me feel all dirty, like you've touched me inappropriately or something.

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  22. Yeah, "roscoe" is definitely passe'. I like "heater" better.

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  23. Still waiting, Jade. What NRA classes did you take, and what certs do you hold?

    No answer? Because you never did it?

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  24. Yeah, the training required isn't much in VA, but it really don't take much to learn how to safely handle a firearm.

    I'd rather have it easy to get a handgun permit rather than insanely difficult.

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  25. Bill, I can't stop laughing. Your name links to an on-line concealed carry permit course. I guess you do want it to be easy.

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