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| Calling all gunloons.. |
Anyway, gunloons demand privacy for their fetish. Why?
The reason, ostensibly, that the US Government is one big tyranny bent on identifying and locating God-fearin', white, overweight males who don't date much (no, Mike W--cousins do not count) who have guns. Because God-fearin', white, overweight males who don't date much (no, Mike W--cousins do not count) who have guns are the only thing that stands between us and....having our precious bodily fluids compromised or something. That's the theory, anyway.
But here's what doesn't make sense:
Assuming one doesn't want the evil tyrannical Government knowing about one's gunloonery--why does virtually every gunloon blog about and post pictures of their guns? Perhaps they believe the evil Gubbermint won't check the intertubes?
Think about it. If there were something you didn't want the evil Government to know about--would you post pictures of it on the internet? Would you write about it incessantly?
This should make 'em squeal a bit.
ReplyDelete"Assuming one doesn't want the evil tyrannical Government knowing about one's gunloonery--why does virtually every gunloon blog about and post pictures of their guns? Perhaps they believe the evil Gubbermint won't check the intertubes? "
ReplyDeleteFor every such gunblogger, there are millions of people who don't blog about their firearms.
Since we aren't breaking any laws, statutes, ordinances, etc - there is nothing the evil government can do. Publicly declaring ones lawful ownership of firearms is like open carry - it's not a threat, it's not brandishing, but it's a clear message that says "NO GENOCIDE".
It doesn't matter. Registration is off the table. There will be no registration. Move along.
ReplyDeleteSimply, because no matter how benevolent you think the government is, registration is too-often followed by Confiscation.
ReplyDeleteIt's even happened in this country, with the "assault weapon" registration in California, followed by the ban on those same weapons.
Did the California government ever go door to door collecting the newly banned weapons, seeing as how they had an exhaustive list to go by? Maybe not yet...
There is no GOOD reason to register firearms. Almost no crimes are solved by existing registries where they exist, and the only arguments I've seen FOR gun registration are paper-thin.
As far as people posting what firearms they own, who posts about all the guns they own, and what makes you think the majority of gun owners post ANYTHING on the internet?
...Orygunner...
A paper-thin argument, huh?
ReplyDeleteRegistration of guns would nearly eliminate straw purchasing. I've already explained to you how that works, or how it WOULD work, if we ever come to our senses.
You must admit that the anonymity with which people can buy guns now and then do what they want with them, lends itself to abusees like straw purchasing. Some of these guys are making a living at it. If each gun were registered to a particular person with no way of disposing of it except through another proper transfer including a background check and thereby transferring the registration of the gun, straw purchasing would vanish. In my scheme of things gun registrations would have to be renewed after three months and thereafter every year.
Of course with your scheme you would only be allowed to charge otherwise law abiding citizens with the crime of failure to register. Prohibited persons and those that are purposefully breaking the registration laws for criminal purposes are protected from prosecution.
ReplyDelete@Mikeb, Okay, it would partly eliminate straw purchasing. That's only ONE of many avenues possible for guns to get to the streets. Close off straw purchasing, and the black market on the street will steal their guns, or import/smuggle them in from elsewhere. Close enough routes for factory manufactured firearms to get to the street and maybe they'll start contracting with shady machine shops to start making their OWN guns - which is frighteningly easy to mass-produce fully automatic firearms in a simple machine shop.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course, the more avenues we close off, the more criminals will engage in the lucrative enterprise of supplying firearms to the street.
Don't forget you're also criminalizing GOOD people if they forget to renew their registration, and like FWM says, "prohibited persons" like Felons and such are exempt from registering THEIR guns under the 5th Amendment.
Unintended consequences, Mike... You seem not to realize them.
...Orygunner...
MikeB: “Registration of guns would nearly eliminate straw purchasing.”
ReplyDeleteYour plan would have the biggest effect on gun running as a business which is only a subset of straw purchases. Friend to friend straw purchases would continue unabated. Right now gangbangers get their girlfriends/friends/relatives to buy guns for them all the time (even though it can get traced back to them). The original buyer can still keep re-registering the gun under your plan.
Actually scratch my first line. The *third* biggest effect would be on gun runners (which I have always doubted just how viable a business model it is). The biggest effect would be on lawful gun owners who face the burden of major cost increases and annual potential arrest. The second biggest effect would be on all citizens who have to pay for this with their taxes.
"In my scheme of things gun registrations would have to be renewed after three months and thereafter every year."
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be so vocally opposed to your "schemes" if you didn't insist on doing it at a federal level.
If I had my way, I could open up a gun manufacturing company and only sell to residents of my state without a single background check or registration ever. And hey - look! It's now in the state legislature and it looks like I'll get my way sooner or later!
(if you fear criminals buying my guns...they are probably going to retail for at least three grand or more each meaning only serious collectors will be interested)
TS, I guess your gangbanger friends will have to change girlfriends every three months. Even casual straw purchasers will be out of business after the first three-month renewal rolls around.
ReplyDeleteDon't make me laugh with the old making criminals out of the law abiding line. You are the same guys who argue against my shared responsibility theory, now what, you want to blame gun control laws for the poor unfortunate and forgetful gun owners' unlawful behaviour?
Jade must be overweight & Caucasian. He seems to project his other issues onto others a lot (especially mental problems), so this must be true also. I'm not overweight, nor do I have congress with my cousins. Practice incest much, Jade?
ReplyDelete@Mikeb,
ReplyDeleteYou are ignoring that straw purchasing isn't the only way guns can get to the street. Criminals are opportunists, they will generally find the easiest way to accomplish their goal. If you find a way to hamper or even disable straw purchasing, they will just get guns the next easiest way, and the next easiest way, etc. You CANNOT close every possible way for guns getting to the street and those criminals that supply them will ALWAYS find a way, no matter how hard you make it.
As far as criminalizing the law-abiding, victimless crimes should be used very sparingly in a free society, and especially should not infringe on the free exercise of a constitutionally protected, unalienable right.
...Orygunner...
MikeB: “I guess your gangbanger friends will have to change girlfriends every three months. Even casual straw purchasers will be out of business after the first three-month renewal rolls around.”
ReplyDeleteWhy can’t SHE renew it after three months? Sure maybe they break up, but she could take her gun and give it to her next bad-boy-boyfriend. Or we can take a look at the non-romantic (and longer term) relationships that I cited.
MikeB: “You are the same guys who argue against my shared responsibility theory, now what, you want to blame gun control laws for the poor unfortunate and forgetful gun owners' unlawful behaviour?”
When gun laws put non-violent people in jail for exercising a right- yes it is OK to blame that ill-conceived gun law. Shared responsibility is about casting the widest net of blame possible- this however is direct blame.
So, what is you punishment for missing the re-registration deadline again?