1. Why does any right-leaning politician agree to an interview on the Daily Show?
2. I support both types of laws--protection of gun owners and protection of gay workers. Neither characteristic is relevant to a job, unless your employer is a church or the Brady Bunch.
A couple of points that The Daily Show whiffed on:
Gun owners do get fired after they get convicted of a felony for simple possession that should be protected under the Second Amendment. This bill isn’t going to help, but let’s not pretend there is no injustice going on.
Their whole point is that this doesn’t go on enough for it to be protected. Wanda needed to respond with the simple question “is it ok to fire someone for owning a gun?” If the answer is “no” then there is no problem with this bill. He even admits that the no one is going to win a lawsuit if it is not illegal, saying individuals need to suffer before action takes place.
The Constitution is designed to protect government intrusion- this bill targets employers. Without it, it is constitutional to fire someone for owning a gun. It is also constitutional to fire someone for speech. There is no right to privacy on company property using company equipment (they can read all the emails they want), and conduct random searches of cubicles when they want. Again, that document applies to government- not individuals or corporations.
That said, she is a hypocrite for voting against the same protection for gays last year. That got that part right, but it is just another example of hypocrites pointing their fingers at other hypocrites using arguments that prove they are both hypocrites.
Employers should be able to fire employees for whatever reason they want. They should also be free to hire anyone that is legally allowed to work in the country. Employers should be free to pay whatever wages an employee is willing to accept for work. The government really doesn't need to be in the middle of the employer-employee relationship other than safety standards.
We tried that and there was so much abuse that laws were passed. What do you want to do, go back to the days of child labor and other forms of employer abuse?
As usual the libertarian nonsense sounds good in the speaking, but as soon as you think about it a bit, it's obviously a mess.
Mike - I believe in the rights of free association in this country. Businesses should not be forced to associate with people if they choose not to. Is it morally wrong to discriminate? Yes it is. But if I am not the business owner, then it is not for me to say how that person runs his business. Other than public safety and worker safety, there are few issues that I think need the government stepping in to resolve. Child labor would fall under the employee safety side of things.
I see that Greg and Jim have taken opposite positions, but both are consistent in thier use of logic. One says "both" the other says "neither". I totally respect that. What really irks me is what the Daily Show did where they make fun of someone who says "A but not B" by saying "B but not A". I see that so often in debate.
TS, far too many politicians value only what's good for them first and what's good for their narrow interest group second. The rest of us are out of luck. When they're called on it, they double-talk their way through the interview. That way of seeing things isn't limited to one party. We need more politicians who will be bold enough to say, here's what I value. Vote for me or don't.
1. Why does any right-leaning politician agree to an interview on the Daily Show?
ReplyDelete2. I support both types of laws--protection of gun owners and protection of gay workers. Neither characteristic is relevant to a job, unless your employer is a church or the Brady Bunch.
A couple of points that The Daily Show whiffed on:
ReplyDeleteGun owners do get fired after they get convicted of a felony for simple possession that should be protected under the Second Amendment. This bill isn’t going to help, but let’s not pretend there is no injustice going on.
Their whole point is that this doesn’t go on enough for it to be protected. Wanda needed to respond with the simple question “is it ok to fire someone for owning a gun?” If the answer is “no” then there is no problem with this bill. He even admits that the no one is going to win a lawsuit if it is not illegal, saying individuals need to suffer before action takes place.
The Constitution is designed to protect government intrusion- this bill targets employers. Without it, it is constitutional to fire someone for owning a gun. It is also constitutional to fire someone for speech. There is no right to privacy on company property using company equipment (they can read all the emails they want), and conduct random searches of cubicles when they want. Again, that document applies to government- not individuals or corporations.
That said, she is a hypocrite for voting against the same protection for gays last year. That got that part right, but it is just another example of hypocrites pointing their fingers at other hypocrites using arguments that prove they are both hypocrites.
Employers should be able to fire employees for whatever reason they want. They should also be free to hire anyone that is legally allowed to work in the country. Employers should be free to pay whatever wages an employee is willing to accept for work. The government really doesn't need to be in the middle of the employer-employee relationship other than safety standards.
ReplyDeleteWe tried that and there was so much abuse that laws were passed. What do you want to do, go back to the days of child labor and other forms of employer abuse?
DeleteAs usual the libertarian nonsense sounds good in the speaking, but as soon as you think about it a bit, it's obviously a mess.
"We tried that and there was so much abuse that laws were passed."
DeleteDepends on which state you live in. Many states have "at-will" employment laws that work just fine.
Mike - I believe in the rights of free association in this country. Businesses should not be forced to associate with people if they choose not to. Is it morally wrong to discriminate? Yes it is. But if I am not the business owner, then it is not for me to say how that person runs his business. Other than public safety and worker safety, there are few issues that I think need the government stepping in to resolve. Child labor would fall under the employee safety side of things.
DeleteI see that Greg and Jim have taken opposite positions, but both are consistent in thier use of logic. One says "both" the other says "neither". I totally respect that. What really irks me is what the Daily Show did where they make fun of someone who says "A but not B" by saying "B but not A". I see that so often in debate.
ReplyDeleteWanda is such an idiot she begs to be ridiculed. Don't blame The Daily Show for that.
DeleteTS, far too many politicians value only what's good for them first and what's good for their narrow interest group second. The rest of us are out of luck. When they're called on it, they double-talk their way through the interview. That way of seeing things isn't limited to one party. We need more politicians who will be bold enough to say, here's what I value. Vote for me or don't.
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