Yup, this will happen as long as civilian guns are legal. Ban them, and let's be as safe from mass shootings as Brits and Australins are. Could the solution be any more obvious?
Professor, if we allowed the government to read e-mail without a warrant, we'd all be safer from terrorist attacks. If we didn't require a warrant to search someone's property, criminal cases would be easier to solve. Rights really are a pain to control freaks.
Although the Professor is much more extreme than I am, he does have a good point. The evasive bullshit responses from Greg and FWM indicate how obvious this is.
Frequent mass shootings are a uniquely American thing.
Ban guns, well, that's a novel idea, how about we ban drugs, too, oh, wait. Controlling guns will be about as easy as controlling drugs. Yesterday, I made an M4 rifle in about 4 or 5 hours. It's ugly as hell, but Fully functional, and I did that in my home shop. Good luck with your gun ban, I think I'm going to make another rifle, maybe an AK-47 this time.
I should have qualified that you cannot compare The United States, the greatest and richest country the world has ever known with third-world shitholes.
FWM, you know this and believe it even more than I do, but all's fair in the argument, right? You love to nit-pick in order to not admit when you're wrong.
The "freedom" that you enjoy as an American with gun rights comes at a very high price. The argument should not be whether the US has the most gun violence but whether it's an acceptable price to pay for all that freedom.
Our homicide rate is 4.2 per hundred thousand, and we have very good gun laws. The U.K.'s is 1.2 per hundred thousand, and the British have repressive laws. The rate in the Czech Republic is 1.7, and the gun laws there are decent. In South Africa, it's 31.8, and the gun laws are similar to the British.
What we see here is that gun control does not correlate to homicide rates. Are you telling me that Czech citizens are less free that British subjects? Are you telling me that South Africans are freer than Americans?
Yes, we wouldn't want to be as oppressed as subjects of those countries, would we?
Do you honestly think Brits and Aussies are any worse off for their voluntary weapons surrender? What's more important to you, your fetish objects or the lives of children?
Professor, America has about 75,000,000 children and 3,000 child deaths from firearms in a year. That's four thousandths of a percent of the total number of children.
But I'm an adult. I see no reason to rig the whole world just to make everything safe for a child. I see that you didn't answer the question that I raised regarding rights beyond guns. Apparently, in the intererst of the illusion of safety, you're willing to give up every right. What kind of law is it that you teach?
Mikeb, you call it callous, but that's how social policy is made. We shouldn't do things because you feel that it's the right thing to do. Your kind of acting-on-a-whim policy-making is the method of a tyrant.
The Professor asks: "Do you honestly think Brits and Aussies are any worse off for their voluntary weapons surrender? What's more important to you, your fetish objects or the lives of children?"
I have the answer to your question, Mr. Professor. http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/cold-hard-facts-on-gun-bans-the-cost-of-liberty-can-be-measured-in-the-loss-of-life_08032012 orlin sellers
We cant ban guns, who do you think would actually give them up anyway? The criminals? Thats a hoot! A crime or murder committed with a gun? FIRING SQUAD!!
So what do you want to do, Mikeb? There are 300,000,000+ guns in private hands in this country. The vast majority of them are unregistered. Many of them have been transferred around in private sales. Are you calling for house-to-house sweeps? That's the only thing that would get rid of all those guns.
Yup, this will happen as long as civilian guns are legal. Ban them, and let's be as safe from mass shootings as Brits and Australins are. Could the solution be any more obvious?
ReplyDeleteProfessor, if we allowed the government to read e-mail without a warrant, we'd all be safer from terrorist attacks. If we didn't require a warrant to search someone's property, criminal cases would be easier to solve. Rights really are a pain to control freaks.
DeleteYep, they don't have any terrorist acts in Europe. They're so safe.
DeleteAlthough the Professor is much more extreme than I am, he does have a good point. The evasive bullshit responses from Greg and FWM indicate how obvious this is.
DeleteFrequent mass shootings are a uniquely American thing.
Ban guns, well, that's a novel idea, how about we ban drugs, too, oh, wait. Controlling guns will be about as easy as controlling drugs. Yesterday, I made an M4 rifle in about 4 or 5 hours. It's ugly as hell, but Fully functional, and I did that in my home shop. Good luck with your gun ban, I think I'm going to make another rifle, maybe an AK-47 this time.
Delete"Frequent mass shootings are a uniquely American thing."
DeleteEver read a news story from Thailand or Indonesia?
Mikeb, who's evading anything? Oh, right, you and Dog Gone. We give you facts; you evade them.
DeleteI should have qualified that you cannot compare The United States, the greatest and richest country the world has ever known with third-world shitholes.
DeleteFWM, you know this and believe it even more than I do, but all's fair in the argument, right? You love to nit-pick in order to not admit when you're wrong.
The "freedom" that you enjoy as an American with gun rights comes at a very high price. The argument should not be whether the US has the most gun violence but whether it's an acceptable price to pay for all that freedom.
Our homicide rate is 4.2 per hundred thousand, and we have very good gun laws. The U.K.'s is 1.2 per hundred thousand, and the British have repressive laws. The rate in the Czech Republic is 1.7, and the gun laws there are decent. In South Africa, it's 31.8, and the gun laws are similar to the British.
DeleteWhat we see here is that gun control does not correlate to homicide rates. Are you telling me that Czech citizens are less free that British subjects? Are you telling me that South Africans are freer than Americans?
Yes, we wouldn't want to be as oppressed as subjects of those countries, would we?
ReplyDeleteDo you honestly think Brits and Aussies are any worse off for their voluntary weapons surrender? What's more important to you, your fetish objects or the lives of children?
Professor, America has about 75,000,000 children and 3,000 child deaths from firearms in a year. That's four thousandths of a percent of the total number of children.
DeleteBut I'm an adult. I see no reason to rig the whole world just to make everything safe for a child. I see that you didn't answer the question that I raised regarding rights beyond guns. Apparently, in the intererst of the illusion of safety, you're willing to give up every right. What kind of law is it that you teach?
Don't forget to weed out the 13-19yo innercity drug murders, then that 3000 falls to about 150.
DeleteIt's self-serving and callous to talk about percentages like that. Most of them are preventable, that's the point.
DeleteMikeb, you call it callous, but that's how social policy is made. We shouldn't do things because you feel that it's the right thing to do. Your kind of acting-on-a-whim policy-making is the method of a tyrant.
DeleteThe Professor asks:
Delete"Do you honestly think Brits and Aussies are any worse off for their voluntary weapons surrender? What's more important to you, your fetish objects or the lives of children?"
I have the answer to your question, Mr. Professor.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/cold-hard-facts-on-gun-bans-the-cost-of-liberty-can-be-measured-in-the-loss-of-life_08032012
orlin sellers
We cant ban guns, who do you think would actually give them up anyway? The criminals? Thats a hoot! A crime or murder committed with a gun? FIRING SQUAD!!
ReplyDeleteIt's self-serving and callous to talk about percentages like that. Most of them are preventable, that's the point.
ReplyDeleteNo, it is not callous, it is getting straight to the point, a good third of your gun crime is drug related, whose to blame the druggies or the gun?
Those who made the gun available are to blame. And that's always a law-abiding gun owner who's protected by lax gun laws that you support.
DeleteSo what do you want to do, Mikeb? There are 300,000,000+ guns in private hands in this country. The vast majority of them are unregistered. Many of them have been transferred around in private sales. Are you calling for house-to-house sweeps? That's the only thing that would get rid of all those guns.
DeleteGreg said in yet another inane attempt to exaggerate my stance:
Delete"That's the only thing that would get rid of all those guns."
Have I EVER said we should "get rid" of the existing guns?
Mikeb, I can follow an argument to its logical conclusion. Look at the steps:
Delete1. You believe that gun violence is too high in this country.
2. You believe that gun availability is the cause.
3. You argue for strict gun laws that would limit availability.
4. You refuse to accept the vast number of guns in this country. Your proposals would create a huge black market.
Now where exactly would a logical person see that leading? You're either being dishonest or illogical. Which one is it?