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You have yet to show ONE gun law that has reduced crime. I've shown you more guns reduce crime using FBI and BJS so why can't you do the same? So till then yes we can blame the gun laws we can at least back up our claims, you can not. So please tell me who's really lieing here?
Pardon me, but you're accusing gun rights advocates of disseminating false information after refusing to believe Gallup's poll indicating that Americans are pretty much on the fence about gun control in spite of the media blitz? I give you a lot of credit for forwarding that, I'll be very frank about it. You're quite a few notches above many other gun control advocates I've seen. But still, this just seems like a petty accusation; that somehow no one could logically believe in gun rights in spite of the wealth of statistical and anecdotal evidence and philosophical arguments in favor of the right of armed self-defense.
Jack, There is "anecdotal evidence and philosophical arguments" on both sides of the argument.
This all comes down to philosophical argument. The facts are what they are. The fundamental question here is one of values. We value personal liberty more, while your side prefers safety.
So, stick to the statistical evidence
You mean like the 4 times lower murder rate they have in the UK. Yeah, let's start with that one. Anonymous Mayuka wants to know what gun control laws have ever lowered violent crime.
Considering that both countries have a low rate, minor variations will look huge to people who don't know how to analyze data.
The piece of information you are missing, Mike, is that UK murder rate used to much lower than the US murder rate. But while they were busy clamping down gun laws - the US was easing restrictions.And guess what happened ... the gap closed.
Greg, you're twisting the facts. FL, you're repeating the NRA bunk.
I can equally well say the same about you, Mikeb. You twist facts and repeat Brady Bunch bunk.
I'm sorry Mike, you have evidence to the contrary?
You know I don't like evidence. I like to use my head. Both sides can come up with competing and contradictory "evidence."Did you see the recent story about how cell phones have played a part in crime rates. I'll post it here today. The point is there are many factors, gun availability is one. You guys want to deflect attention away from that one. Why? For your own selfish reasons, I'd guess.
"You know I don't like evidence."This should be the new tagline for your blog.
That is, perhaps, the most honest thing I have seen on this blog. You have, again, left me speechless.
Mikeb, you don't like evidence, but you claim to use your head? It's no wonder that arguing with you is like wandering in a wilderness. It's not that you move the goal posts. You deny the existence of goal posts.
FTW --> "It's not that you move the goal posts. You deny the existence of goal posts."
No, it isn't bunk. Its just that you find it inconvenient. And data always requires analysis for it to mean anything.