The Coffee Party USA
Dear friends who can't tolerate anyone bringing up gun control: You're not going to intimidate me with your !!!!s, ????s, WORDS IN ALL CAPS, namecalling, and threats to unfriend.
I am going to speak my mind regardless of your protestations.
I just wish you loved the First Amendment as much as your reading of the Second Amendment. Instead trying to bully people into submission, let us speak freely.
Most people aren't calling for a ban on guns contrary to your knee-jerk reactions. We want better regulations on something that is already regulated. We just want improvements. To quote my friend Jim Sanches, there's a difference between regulating and banning.
Respect that America needs to talk about this massacre considering many factors including gun control. So, stop making wild accusations, calling people morons, and trying to shut down discussion.
Support free expression, but call no one a moron and make no accusations that the other side calls wild? But I haven't heard about a proposed "Assault Weapons Regulation." It's called a ban, despite her own wild statements.
ReplyDeleteI am curious as to who was supposedly doing the name calling? It appears that the antis were the ones calling names and being overly aggressive. It is a simple fact that the best way to defend yourself is to have at least the same capabilities or better than your adversary. I also find it interesting that she mentions the national guard shooting saying there were armed when in fact they were not. The ihop was off base where they couldn't carry and few people on an installation are armed at any given time. I know this after 10 years in the military. The reality is few guns are purchased legally at guns shows or dealers intended for use in crimes. They are either obtained illegally on the street or stolen, often with the death or threat of death to the rightful owner. The argument of saying that they were purchased legally at a dealer or gun show and using that to connect the original owner to criminal activity negates where else that weapon may have gone in the interim. And whether you want to admit it or not many are calling for a ban. And for consideration think about how most of these work, police who are obviously armed and able to defense themselves get ambushed, element of surprise where as obviously unarmed victims are freely attacked. why not use the element of surprise for good? Stop having I'm unarmed free game zones. Let people be able to defend themselves and don't let the criminals know who is who. Mike Z
ReplyDeleteHere's where you're wrong.
Delete"The reality is few guns are purchased legally at guns shows or dealers intended for use in crimes. They are either obtained illegally on the street or stolen, often with the death or threat of death to the rightful owner."
Guns bought privately with no background check are one of the leading sources of guns used in crime. When one criminal gets a gun from another that doesn't tell us how the gun got into the black market. You have to go back to the point at which it passed from a lawful owner to a criminal, and one of the major ways is private sales without background checks.
And there are so many guns in private hands without registration now that your proposals wouldn't be effective for centuries.
DeleteOf course you say that, Greg. The truth is my suggestions would be immediately effective and the benefits would increase year by year.
DeleteThere are 300,000,000+ guns in this country. More will be smuggled in if your bans and restrictions become unconstitutional law. Your blithe dismissals of these realities shows how far from good sense you are.
DeleteAnd where do you get this fact? A substantial number of firearms are purchased between people and at gunshows. But where can you prove that they are purchased with the expressed purpose of being added to the black market? Where have you been able to find the line and show that it is gunshows? You say guns bought privately will no backcourt check are leading sources of guns used in crime and that's correct, because criminals buy them from eachother on the street and the black market. Most of the crime guns are from one unlawful owner to another or stolen or obtained by other illegal means. Mike Z
ReplyDeleteIt's private sales which sometimes happen at gun shows but are not limited to them. That's one of the 4 major ways, "from another criminal" is not one of them. I explained here.
Deletehttp://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/06/four-major-ways-criminals-get-guns.html
Mikeb, you don't qualify as a reliable source.
DeleteSo would one criminal selling to another criminal not qualify as a private sale? As far as straw purchasers can you provide proof of how many come from that method? And as I recall recently the government seems very fine with them an used them as an excuse to further erode the rights of americans. As opposed to buying them on the street or steeling them? Largely your solutions as you call them would accomplish very little except instill some type of illusion of security. Mike Z
DeleteMike, I don't know if you got the point of my post about the ways criminals end up with guns. The main point is the common idea that criminals get guns from other criminals is misleading. It doesn't help us identify the way guns pass from the law abiding to the criminals.
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