Wednesday, February 26, 2014
The Erin Burnett Interview with Ted Nugent
My favorite part is when he personally took credit for getting Piers Morgan's Show cancelled.
On another thread I made the remark that you gun-rights fanatics get all personal about it while we tend to attack what our opponents say. I was asked if I don't personally despise Ted Nugent.
Well, that got me to thinking. I suppose I do. He's a draft dodger, an admitted statutory rapist of young girls, he often uses racist and misogynistic slurs, he's a blowhard and a bully. For those reasons and more, many folks on my side despise Ted Nugent, myself included.
You guys, on the other hand, despise Piers Morgan for nothing more than his stance on gun control.
Do you see the difference?
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Morgan is an arrogant bully who has his own share of legal trouble. How about we agree to despise them both?
ReplyDeleteDo you see the difference?
ReplyDeleteThe difference between despising someone who has never advocated for an attack on your fundamental human rights, and despising someone who made such advocacy a signature issue of his? Yeah--I see it very clearly.
And by the way, you despise draft dodgers? You believe governments should have the power to force people to go to war?
Puzzling.
Doesn't Mikeb love Bill Clinton?
DeleteActually, the supposed "right" that Ted Nugent supports is bullshit. The 2A is meaningless and obsolete, despite the mistaken ruling of the Supreme Court a couple years ago. Piers Morgan on the other hand supports the right of the people to not have to worry which one of you gun maniacs is going to snap next. Will it happen in WalMart, or in traffic at a red light, will it happen in the kid's school or in church? These are real concerns for millions of Americans, but you don't care about that, it doesn't fit with your gun-rights fanaticism.
DeleteActually, the supposed "right" that Ted Nugent supports is bullshit.
DeleteWrong, but I also wasn't referring to any right that Nugent supports, but to the right that Morgan has tried so futilely to attack.
Don't want to answer my draft-dodging question?
Piers Morgan on the other hand supports the right of the people to not have to worry which one of you gun maniacs . . .
DeleteFor a reference to "you gun maniacs" to make any sense whatsoever, you would need to present evidence of any one of us having ever exhibited maniacal behavior. You obviously have no such evidence. You, therefore, faii, once again.
As for your "right" not to suffer from irrational fears, by all means, exercise that right. Just stay the hell away from people's ability to anonymously acquire life and liberty preserving firepower in quantities limited only by our budgets.
Then, Mikeb, your right to speak is meaningless and obsolete, so you now have to stop advocating.
Delete"Don't want to answer my draft-dodging question?" You're really weak, Kurt, if you think that's such a gotcha that you have to repeat it.
DeleteI actually think draft dodging can be honorable but not when years later you wear camo and wave guns around and preach all that "support our troops" jingoistic nonsense. Ted Nugent is a blatant hypocrite in this regard.
Wasn't intended as "a gotcha," and I wouldn't have needed to repeat it if you hadn't dodged it.
DeleteI actually think draft dodging can be honorable but not when years later you wear camo and wave guns around and preach all that "support our troops" jingoistic nonsense.
So attitudes cannot legitimately change over a period of decades? Does that mean you have always been an advocate of vastly more restrictive gun laws, rather than at one time having had so little regard for existing gun laws that you were willing to defy them?
Besides, what does wearing camouflage and "wav[ing] guns around" have to do with his support for the troops? What, for that matter, is inconsistent about supporting the troops, but opposing conscription?
Oh, I see. Typically for leftists, Mikeb insists that you have to have dodged the draft in the approved way.
DeleteKurt, to me having shit oneself to avoid military service and then to portray oneself as a macho, pseudo-military-type tough-guy is big-time hypocrisy. But as you said, people change. Maybe that explains it.
DeleteHow about his career as a self-admitted serial statutory rapist of underage women, do you have a glib defense for that too?
How about his career as a self-admitted serial statutory rapist of underage women, do you have a glib defense for that too?
DeleteThere is no defending that. It's unforgivable behavior. I wasn't defending him so much as I was defending his right to gently criticize Obama.
That's not what you were doing at all, Kurt. You were arguing with me, plain and simple. You like to disagree with anything I say, in this case that Ted Nugent was a draft dodger and there's something wrong with that. You turn every discussion into a tedious nit-picking attack of what I say. You're a drag, man.
DeleteNowhere on this thread did you defend "his right to gently criticize Obama." Did you throw that in there just to make the "gently" joke?
It seems to me that if anyone here is being tediously argumentative, it ain't me. You should at least try to acquire some proficiency at it.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cPWK2qIV-5s
ReplyDeleteMike, this link is to a video comparison of the interview with ted nugent with others who have made similar remarks. The key difference is which side of the political spectrum they are on. Liberals do the same thing and often far worse and no one cares. It illustrates a severe double standard in which a word, act or belief is wrong, not based on what the belief is but based on who is holding it. For the record I dont think the term mongrel is appropriate for either Obama or Nugent to use. The problem is many base discrimination on the outcome not the intent, and because of that they can, with a straight face say that its time we had a black president, or a woman president or asian or whatever and be ok with with it, but assume any opposition to the individual is discrimination. Context matters, but simply who says/does it shouldnt. Even the president himself is on record as saying people dislike him because he is black but many give him the benefit of the doubt because he is black, though neither should matter.
Mike Z
"Liberals do the same thing and often far worse and no one cares."
DeleteMike, that's just not true on both accounts. People do care. In the video itself it showed Bill Maher being put on the spot about what he said. Secondly, and most importantly, when comics use the same words to attack political figures it cannot be compared to the vitriol and passion with which Ted Nugent does it. His remarks are overflowing with hate, which is contagious and does more to polarize the country than what he's complaining about.
Your double standard is a weak attempt to support a despicable character. You said "context matters" but it doesn't seem that you're taking your own advice.
So comics can be offensive, but musicians can't? Mikeb adds another double standard to his long list.
Delete"It's not as bad when comedians do it!"
DeleteThen
"You'er a meanie with a double standard!"
Nicely done Mikeb
So basically if Ted had been laughing or smiling it would have been ok? Hate with a smile is fine? And if you consider me defending him you are clearly oblivious. Its not a double standard when you want the same standard applied to everyone. Once question for you. Which is worse, people not liking you because of your skin color or people supporting you because of your skin color?
DeleteMike Z
I didn't say it was OK as long as one is laughing and smiling. What I said is there's a big difference between the way comedians attack people by poking fun at them and mocking them and the vicious hatred that Ted Nugent spews.
DeleteAnd that line clearly lies along party lines.
DeleteOk then what of Spike lee and referring to Clarence Thomas as an Uncle Tom? Or the director of the NAACP referring to black conservatives as puppets, sellouts, white washed?
DeleteMike Z
Mike, you made a piss-poor comparison between Ted Nugent and those on the other side of the political spectrum. Now rather than admit it, you're doubling down with Spike Lee? No one compares to Ted Nugent for viciousness and hateful, cutting remarks.
DeleteWhy doesn't anyone compare? I have heard black liberals say the same and worse about conservative blacks and I have many white liberals say the same and worse about conservative blacks. So why doesn't anyone else compare? Your hatred of the second amendment the NRA and Nugent blind you to the hypocrisy of the double standard. Your response as far as I'm concentrated says racist statements are only bad if the don't toe the party line and that who is saying it is more important than what they are saying.
DeleteMikeZ
"Mike, you made a piss-poor comparison between Ted Nugent and those on the other side of the political spectrum. Now rather than admit it, you're doubling down with Spike Lee? No one compares to Ted Nugent for viciousness and hateful, cutting remarks."
DeleteIt so nice of you to give the followers of Nugent a site to post their crap, which of course, makes your site crap.
Mike, you're putting a lot of words in my mouth. What I actually said is there's a big difference between the vicious poison that Ted Nugent spouts and the way comics like Bill Maher make their attacks. Anyone who says they're the same is full of shit - that's you, man.
DeleteBill Maher spews filth all the time. You just like his filth.
DeleteAs you have yet to actually answer my question I will rephrase it, which is more racist, being treated better because of race or worse because of race? You ignore or minimize the racism from people whose politics you agree with and latch on to it when you disagree with their politics. Why is that?
ReplyDeleteMikeZ
No Mike, I don't do that. I don't "ignore or minimize the racism from people whose politics you agree." What I said several times in this thread is that nobody on either side of the aisle compares to Ted Nugent for viciousness and hatred.
DeleteI don't know which type of racism is worse. Who gives a fuck anyway?
If nobody on either side compares to Ted, then why do you keep comparing us to Ted?
DeleteI don't compare you to Ted. I say you idolize him, support him, and hang on his every word in that sick sycophantic way that you do. You don't compare to him, don't be so egotistical, you admire him and aspire to live up to his example.
DeleteMikeB, how on earth do you figure we idolize him or admire him? the problem here is you have found something to latch on too and use it to lump all second amendment supporters into the same bucket. It is a convenient method as it allows you to ignore facts and reality. So how about we do the same to you? lets lump you in with carroll" shoulder thing that goes up" McCarthy, or Diane"if i had the votes you'd turn them all in"Feinstein? And as far as which type of racism is worse, I give a F@#$, because your answer explains whether you truly think racism and discrimination is wrong in based on what it is or if you only think racism and discrimination are wrong based on whether or not the outcome fits your bias and agenda.
DeleteMikeZ
Mike, I don't think I've received any compliments from you guys distinguishing me from the Carol McCarthys and the Diane Feinsteins of the gun control world. Have you seen any? Are you giving me one now?
DeleteAs to where do I get the idea that you guys support and idolize Ted, at his concerts and speeches before gatherings of the NRA, that's where. Also, it's based on the defensive and supportive comments I always get on the blog.
Your question about being treated better or worse because of race is so fucking stupid that I truly don't give a fuck. Did you have a point with that nonsense? Why don't you just spell it out.
As to where do I get the idea that you guys support and idolize Ted, at his concerts and speeches before gatherings of the NRA, that's where.
DeleteWhat do you mean "[us] guys . . . at his concerts and speeches before gatherings of the NRA"? I've never been to any event that featured him.
It's a perfectly reasonable question that unfortunately you refuse to answer. How many times have you explained away differences in how situations are handled by citing race? You use race to explain disagreement with Obama, you paint gun rights advocates as racist at every opportunity despite no evidence. I am simply asking how you define racism and whether you believe that racism is ok as long as it supports your bias and agenda. Don't know how much clearer I can spell it out. And I can use Feinstein as an example since young frequently claim that we are paranoid for being concerned about confiscation when Feinstein has called for exactly that and it's happening now in CT and in some places in Ca. And there is a difference between agreeing on issues and worshiping and admiring
DeleteMikeZ
It's not happening in CT, Mike. Haven't you been following along.
DeleteWhen it happened in CA and Illinois recently it was about removing guns from convicted felons. I guess you could call that confiscation, if you really had to but it's not the hysterical nonsense that you guys usually mean by the word.
Mike B, Typos from my phone. Should have said whats happening, not its happening, not that i expect that to make a huge difference to you. The problem we run into is that CT makes a knee jerk highly ineffective law that magically turns people into felons. How can you claim we are paranoid when many in power are calling for exactly what we are concerned about?
DeleteMikeZ
You're right, that typo makes no difference. It's still not happening.
DeleteAnd for the hundredth time, laws don't make people felons. People who disobey laws make themselves felons.
So then lets arrest everyone who smokes weed, has weed or sells it, Or does that not count? Or lets arrest all of those who don't register with selective service. The problem with your response is that you yourself believe some laws should be followed and some should not. I am of the belief that the supreme law of the land, being the constitution should be followed, You believe it should be infringed, stretched compressed or tweak depending on how your particular bias dictates.
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MikeZ
Mike, you lost me with that "arrest everyone who smokes weed" thing. Wanna explain?
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