Monday, March 3, 2014

Oregon 5-Year-old Shot in the Stomach - Daddy was a Felon - No Special Treatment

A five year-old Medford boy was shot earlier Saturday morning in what police are calling an accidental shooting.
According to the press release medical and fire crews responded around 8:30am Saturday to the home on West Jackson Street in Medford.
The boy sustained a gun-shot wound to the lower abdomen according to the press release. Police detectives were called to the scene.
During the course of the investigation detectives learned, according to the press release, that the boy found his fathers pistol. The boy's eight year-old sister attempted to take the gun from the boy when it discharged striking the boy.
As of 1:30pm Saturday the boy is in stable condition.
The boy's father was revealed to be a convicted felon and not allowed to own a firearm. He has been taken into custody on these charges: assault 3rd degree, recklessly endangering another and felon in possession of a firearm.
The video said it was a black-powder pistol.  Is that even possible? Can those things be stored loaded and ready to fire?

21 comments:

  1. You think you're qualified to tell people what guns they can and can't have, and which of them can have guns, and yet you ask a question like that?

    Go sit at the kiddie table and use your iPhone to do some research. Don't come back until you're ready to sit at the grown up table.

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    1. Even Kurt, who is one of my greatest antagonists answered the question seriously. I don't know shit about black powder guns, but I still have opinions about gun control and gun rights. Is that hard for you to understand?

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    2. Even Kurt, who is one of my greatest antagonists answered the question seriously.

      Um, actually no, Mikeb--when I said "black powder turns into a pumpkin at midnight," it's not the case that I "answered the question seriously," as I'd hoped would be obvious even to you.

      It seems that no matter how low I set the bar, I still can't help overestimating you.

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    3. Mikeb, thanks for admitting that you are ignorant of the subject on which you wish to impose regulations.

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    4. Let's see, you've admitted to not knowing shit about black powder guns. In the past you admitted to not knowing about relative strengths of cartridges or about bolt action rifles in spite of your desire to draw a line somewhere (you declined to say where) and outlaw many of them as potential "sniper rifles." You've also showed a lack of knowledge when discussing semi-automatics and your now abandoned insistence that assault weapons were fundamentally different.

      Frankly, I haven't seen one area in the field of discussion where you've shown that you've done your homework. You certainly don't have the expertise I'd expect someone to have before they started making rules and laws that tell me what I can and can't do because of what is and isn't safe.

      This attitude isn't limited to this field. If you want to tell me that I must or may not get a medical treatment, that I must or may not eat something, etc. etc., then I expect that you will have done some research on the topic and actually know what the heck you're talking about.

      Opinions are like a sphincter we all have, and you're welcome to yours. However, if you're going to start ordering people around, you better do the research or expect to be ridiculed for being a pompous meddler who doesn't even have the decency to learn what he's doing in his meddling.

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    5. Right, Kurt, I read your pumpkin comment too quickly.

      Anonymous, at least I know what a barrel shroud is. And besides, I'm not "ordering people around."

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    6. Mikeb, you're not ordering people around? That's only because you are blessedly not in power. You have the will; you just don't have the way.

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    7. *slow clap*

      This is to recognize that Mikeb, gun control advocate extraordinaire, knows what a barrel shroud is!


      That totally makes up for calling for banning sniper rifles and being unable to tell any difference between sniper rifles and normal rifles. For Insisting that features, like said barrel shroud, make "assault weapons" more lethal, etc. etc.

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    8. Yep--if we set the bar at "smarter than Carolyn McCarthy," Mikeb has a chance of making the grade If, on the other hand, we required "smarter (or more honorable) than a tapeworm," he's in some trouble.

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  2. Can those things be stored loaded and ready to fire?

    No. If left loaded in a gun, black powder turns into a pumpkin at midnight.

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    1. Really? (Said with the big wide open disbelieving eyes of a child)

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  3. There have been Colt Navys found hidden in the walls of antebellum houses that were loaded for over a hundred years and were able to fire. I know from my own experience that a black powder pistol can be loaded for months on end without a problem. Once black powder is fired, the residue leaves corrosive salts that rust the metal and requires cleaning in short order.

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    1. Speaking of black powder, Greg, I know almost nothing about it (except for the pumpkin part), but have suddenly been struck with the desire for a replica LeMat. Do black powder substitutes like Pyrodex come in different grinds?

      Supposedly, FFFg is recommended for the .44 rounds, and FFg for the 20 gauge, but I don't know how that translates to black powder substitutes.

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    2. Never mind--I just answered my own question. Don't know why I didn't think of that before.

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    3. The LeMat intrigues me, but I've yet to plunk down the $800 or so that one costs. But I go with plain black powder rather than substitutes. Call me old-fashioned, but that's what the guns were designed for, and I'm interested in the experience that our ancestors had.

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    4. I can understand that perspective. Thanks.

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    5. I've gotten to handle a replica LeMat once at a show. One of the coolest bits of firearms engineering I've seen. However, that experience paled in comparison to actually finding a genuine article in a high end pawn shop of all places.

      Noticed it in a display case of antiques--wonderful condition. Its tag was underneath it, and I had no idea what such a find went for, so I asked. When the owner said 14 I gave him an inquisitive look and said "Just fourteen hundred? I thought it would be more." Apparently I misunderstood and was off by an order of magnitude.

      Never can see plunking down the money for something like that, but it was sure pretty to look at. Also neat to see the real thing rather than a replica in a museum.

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    6. BTW, let's see if we can get Mike to or one of his cohorts to soil their armor, as it were.

      The LeMat had a 9 shot cylinder (Cuomo just passed out). It also had a 20 gauge smooth-bore barrel underneath that. 9 shots in a row, and then you flip a switch on the hammer and let go with a shotgun that is larger than .50 Cal. (.61 actually).

      And as if that's not scary enough, the originals were made in the last half of the 19th Century, meaning that they're not considered firearms under Federal Law. All those laws saying what you can and can't do when buying or selling firearms--not applicable.

      Why, you don't need a background check, and since it's not a firearm, a felon CAN buy one without violating the law! He can't legally own or touch ammo for it, but could hang it on a wall--how horrifying! Felons being allowed to own museum quality wall hangers that would be illegal assault weapons in New York if they were manufactured today!!!

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    7. Wow--a real LeMat in a pawn shop? I'd probably squee uncontrollably, even with the price tag being several times more than I could ever spend on a gun.

      While we're upsetting Mike, remember to emphasize that this was a Confederate gun, so our appreciation for it is "racist," and possibly "treasonous."

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    8. I nearly did squee, but I managed to keep my dignity--at least until I asked how much it was. As for the pawn shop, it was an interesting one. Not your usual junk dealer--most stuff was on consignment be it high end guitars and sound equipment to collectible guns be they antiques or some interesting replicas such as a replica BAR that was semi-only.


      As for the Confederate bit, I thought about trying to make a connection between that and the weird 7 round number of the new NY law but decided against it.

      Firearms history from that time is interesting. Both sides had some quite innovative designs that can be as interesting to study as the men using them. Sometimes it even adds something to understanding the personalities of the men--e.g. J.E.B. Stuart's flamboyant style matches his choice of the LeMat while the rough Forrest (of later KKK fame), who had been a gambler and occasional brawler, was a fan of shotguns.

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    9. You guys made me smile more than once with this thread.

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