Ben Gabriel Sebena, of Menomonee Falls, made his initial appearance Thursday. A Milwaukee County court commissioner imposed bail and set a preliminary hearing for next week.
A criminal complaint says 30-year-old Jennifer Sebena was found lying on the pavement outside the fire department. She'd been shot five times in the head.
The complaint says Jennifer Sebena told a colleague about three weeks earlier that her husband had put a gun to her head. The complaint also quotes Ben Sebena as telling investigators he'd been jealous of other men with regard to his wife.
Guns are bad news for women, that's my take on it. The story also illustrates the lunacy of the pro-gun argument that we need to arm more people so they can defend themselves.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Such a shame that Wisconsin still has failed to enact a capital punishment statute. What kind of society chooses to feed and shelter killers, yet allows good citizens to starve in the streets?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the perpetrator used a private gun or had taken advantage of the newly enacted CCW law?
E.N. said, " What kind of society chooses to feed and shelter killers, yet allows good citizens to starve in the streets?"
ReplyDeleteThe great thing is E N that, the good citizens are free to commit crimes so that they too can receive free food & shelter.
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Mikeb, you're dodging the point here. She was one of those supposedly highly trained people who deserve to have a gun--you know, the only ones who can defend themselves from an attack. The even bigger question is why she didn't file charges against her husband for his previous act.
ReplyDeleteDodging what point?
DeleteJust like Meleanie Hain, poor Jennifer was powerless to prevent her own murder. That's the point. Encouraging women who are far less trained then these two to arm themselves in the false illusion that it'll protect them is wrong. Guns do more harm than good. That's the point. Are you dodging that one, Greg?
There's nothing to dodge, since a falsehood just falls flat. Guns do more good than harm because there are more good gun owners than bad. And in many cases, private gun owners are better trained than police officers.
DeleteAll right, if guns are bad news for women, then how would this woman have performed her job without one around? Or are you saying that women are incapable of being good police officers?
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DeleteI'm curious, Mike. Do you ever present arguments that rely on something other than incomplete evidence and logical fallacy? I ask,not to be rude, but because as I read what you write I see one non sequitur after another. Surely you're capable of better reasoning than that.
ReplyDeleteWell, why don't you help us all out by explaining exactly what you mean. When Wayne La Pierre said Belcher's girlfriend would have been able to protect herself if she'd only had a gun, he was wrong. When Meleanie Hain was killed her gun did not help. Same with poor Officer Jennifer.
DeleteThese are three famous cases among thousands that happen every year. The problem is guns in the hands of domestic abusers. The solution is not guns in the hands of the abused women.
Am I wrong?
Yes.
DeleteYou draw conclusions on the basis of news reports and surveys done by advocacy groups, but reject data from official sources and neutral organizations. You weasel about, but the effect of your words is that no gun owner can use a gun effectively. You speculate and guess and then call those facts. So yes, you're wrong.
Yes,you're wrong. When suggestions are made or data presented that contradicts your position you retreat to disparaging comments and thinly veiled insults while avoiding dealing with the questions. You present straw man arguments as the reality of pro gun views then attack those positions with obvious relish. As an example, you ignored the questions that were asked re: the murder of Officer Sebena, describing them as bullshit and essentially describing the entirety of the pro gun position as one that totally ignores a tactical situation. It comes across as disingenuous.
DeleteAnon, you're the one doing all those things you accuse me of. Guns in the possession of abused women usually do not help them protect themselves, as illustrated in these three examples. Explain to me how that's wrong, instead of attacking me and my methods.
DeleteActually, I'm not doing what you do. I provided a specific example of your straw man fallacy. Did I attack your logical fallacy? Of course. Your position is not improved by that sort argument. Did I attack you? No. I do recognize that you are not your methods.
DeleteA simple question, Mike. Why do you refuse to acknowledge FBI, DOJ and CDC data when its presented? Its your failure to do so that leads people to essentially question your integrity, not your position on gun control.
ReplyDeleteI never refuse to acknowledge that data. What I say is it does not prove that more guns equals less crime.
DeleteExcept that those sources put the number of defensive gun uses as higher than the number of deaths and injuries due to all causes from firearms. What you do is ignore the data.
DeleteThat's not data, Greg. The number of DGUs is based on guesswork and estimates. The number of deaths and injuries is data.
DeleteWas she armed at the time she was shot? What was the tactical situation during her murder? If she was armed, did she return fire? Was she ambushed? All questions that pertain to the accuracy of your assertion.
ReplyDeleteBullshit. The pro-gun claim is that gun ownership is the answer. It's not.
DeleteWhich part is "bullshit" as you so eloquently put it? I'm aware of no pro-gun person who would say those are irrelevant questions. I am, however, very aware of pro gun control people who willingly and deliberately engage in one logical fallacy after another in a feeble effort to bolster an untenable position.
ReplyDeleteThe details, other than the presence of a gun, don't matter to Mikeb. They're all part of that evidence thing that he doesn't like.
Delete"Which part is "bullshit" as you so eloquently put it?"
DeleteDidn't you read my comment? Did you stop at the work "bullshit" because it offended you?
I repeat, "Bullshit. The pro-gun claim is that gun ownership is the answer. It's not."
Calm yourself. Clearly I read it...reading it was a prerequisite to asking the question. The problem was your blanket statement that uses gross generalization to avoid the real analysis answers to the questions requires. Repeating your assertion lends it no more credence than it had the first time.
DeleteShe was a trained gun owner, just like Belcher's girlfriend and just like the soccer mom, Meleanie Hain.
DeleteYou guys say that's all it takes. It's obviously not enough.
"You guys"? Generalization, again. I'll be glad to go on record to say it takes more than that. Training, a willingness to use the weapon (many people, including LE officers and some military people haven't made made that decision though they think they have...this is not a decision that can be legislated or verified in any way, shape or form), actually having the weapon in your possession, good situational awareness, frequent and regular practice and training...all those contribute to your likelihood of survival. There are two things that must go together. A willingness to resist and the means to do so. One of these is guaranteed by the 2A...the other must come from within the individual.
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