The targets, which depicted a black man’s silhouette under the words “Running N*gger,” were being sold for 10 cents each.The vendor defended the targets on camera when a KSFY photographer confronted him.“Why are those on there?” the photographer asked.“Why aren’t they? They’re just targets,” the vendor replied.“Aren’t they offensive in nature?” the photographer pressed.“To who?” the vendor remarked. “Are you Negro? You know, there are some black people, and then there are some Negroes.”The vendor added that he had “sold 500 of them this weekend. So what difference does it make?”
Just another gun show.
Gun show organizer Bob Campbell insisted that he banned the vendor as soon as the racist targets were discovered.“I take pride in the work I do and the quality of the shows I put out,” Campbell told KSFY. “And I’m very disappointed, disgusted to see what was on that table.”Suuurrrre, Bob. You're just disappointed a little sunlight exposed your kind. Look, I've sagely noted this many times: gunshows are a fetid petri dish for racists and white supremacists. You can go to car shows, computer shows, home improvement shows, etc. and never see anything remotely racist. But you find this all the time at gun shows. Why? Because that's where the market is.
"But you find this all the time at gun shows."...Jade please share with us how many gun shows you have been to in the last five years?...My self I have been to at least 40 gun shows in six different states in the last five years and have never seen anything even remotely racist...An honest person who is interested in defeating the scourge that is racism would look at this story and say good job Mr Campbell every little bit of resistance to actual racism helps...And yet you Jade attack Mr Campbell without cause or evidence for doing the right thing and cry racist simply because he runs a gun show...Crying wolf in situations like this takes attention from those cases that deserve our attention ...Help the situation Jade stop crying wolf or post your evidence
ReplyDeleteI find it very hard to believe that after attending 40 gun shows, "in the last five years and have never seen anything even remotely racist."
DeleteOf course you find it hard to believe--you live overseas and project your prejudices on gun shows with no evidence.
DeleteThe closest thing I've seen to this was one show where the racist fucks of Council of Conservative Citizens had a booth. They didn't have any of their racist material out on display and were trying to fly under the radar. Apparently they didn't get the response they wanted at that show, which had the largest percentage of minorities of any show I've seen (blacks, hispanics, asians, etc.) and they never came to the later ones.
Damn straight that's where the market is GJ can shit himself all day long and into the night thinking otherwise.
ReplyDeleteI've been to many gun shows, Georgie. I guarantee you'll find Obama targets, the Turner Diaries and worse at most of them. The fact is the vendor (who Campbell said "sneaked in") sold some 500 of the targets. BTW, how does anyone "sneak" into a gunshow--especially a vendor who is selling guns?
ReplyDeleteLook, you can go onto gunloon sites and forums and they discuss racism and white supremacy at gun shows. They don't like it--not because of the racism--but because its bad p.r.
In point of fact, many gun shows won't allow photography in the gun shows because they don't want the public to have a record of what goes on in there. I'm actually pretty surprised a news crew filmed in there.
"BTW, how does anyone "sneak" into a gunshow--especially a vendor who is selling guns?"
DeleteWell Jade, there are actually many venders at gun shows that don't sell guns. Just as there are many vendors at bike shows that don't sell bikes. So what we know is that out of all of the vendors, one was selling a racist product and as soon as management was informed, he got the boot and won't be coming back.
You surely know about vendors who don't sell guns if you've been to as many shows as you say you have.
SS: The vendor selling the offensive targets was also selling guns.
DeleteYour chronology is also misleading. Remember, the vendor sold some 500 targets--so it's not as if gun show patrons were complaining. Second, the show organizer only took action after a local TV news crew was filming it.
" the show organizer only took action after a local TV news crew was filming it."
DeleteBy the looks of the table behind him, if its his table, that is called selling personally owned firearms. He isn't a dealer.
So you're going to believe the claim of a guy who wont even give his name? Lets see how the math works out for the guy. IF he was telling the truth, he grossed $50 and ended up being banned from all of the gun shows in the future run by the group.
Are you saying 500 targets sell for a total of $50?
DeleteThey do if they sell for ten cents each as the article said. And IF the guy was telling the truth.
DeleteWhere are these shows banning photography? I've been to shows all over Tennessee and never seen that rule posted. One of the biggest I go to has been covered in international news with photos all over the web--that news story also covered several others and made no mention of any turning them or their cameras away. (News story was in Daily Mail writing about the huge turn out at gun shows during the post Sandy Hook attempts at gun control.)
DeleteJadie Im not doubting that it is possible to find racist materials at some gun shows and those that are selling it are scum but to say most is disingenuous at best my point was more you calling Mr Campbell a racist because such materials were found at a show he was running even after he did the proper thing..I can find the turner diary's and Mein Kampf as well as the much hated writings of Mr Clemens or satanic materials at my local library it does not make the librarian a racist or a satanist
ReplyDelete"BTW, how does anyone "sneak" into a gunshow--especially a vendor who is selling guns?"......The article states the the vendor suck the targets in (poor choice of words)....not that the vendor snuck in ....Take another gander at it Jade
For Jade to say "most is disingenuous," but for you to say NONE out of 40 gun shows is believable????
DeleteEvery gun show I've been to has sold racist/white supremacist/questionable material. Of course, I haven't been to each and every gun show in history--so 'most' is an accurate comment.
DeleteOne of the rabid gunloon forums actually had a posting where the commenter said he could assess the gunshow by how many steps he had to take from the entrance before he encountered an image of Hitler.
Well Mike The 40+ I speak of I have seen with my own eyes in the last 5 yrs and perhaps there was some at some of the ones I attended that I did not see however jade is attempting to indict an entire industry or "Most" of it based on past experiences at a number of gun shows the even ball park number of which has not been shared as requested.....so yes I think disingenuous is accurate.
Delete"One of the rabid gunloon forums actually had a posting where the commenter said he could assess the gunshow by how many steps he had to take from the entrance before he encountered an image of Hitler."........And that does not make the person or company running the show racist.
Mike will you be moderating your so called co bloggers attempts at insults as strictly as you will the rest of us on your blog...."One of the rabid gunloon forums" is this not something that should be moderated under your new policy as well as this "Damn straight that's where the market is GJ can shit himself all day long and into the night thinking otherwise." yes no?
George, one thing that I do disallow is questions or comments or complaints about my comment moderation policy. But, since we're talking about it, I don't think " rabid gunloon forums" is sudfficiently offensive to merit deletion. Do you, really?
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ReplyDelete"A vendor snuck offensive targets by organizers at this weekend’s Collector’s Classic Gun Show – and fiercely defended his sales.
ReplyDeleteOrganizers tell us they’re “disturbed and disgusted” to see a vendor selling the product. That salesman, who did not give his name to KSFY, is now banned from the local gun show."
http://www.ksfy.com/home/headlines/Vendor-banned-from--296385311.html?device=phone&c=y
Well Jade, it looks like Guns.com beat Raw by a day on this story,
"Gun show administrators were appalled at the blatant offensiveness of the vendor.
“I take pride in the work I do and the quality of the show that I put out and I’m very disappointed, disgusted to see what was on that table,” show manager Bob Campbell told KSFY.
The gun show representatives told reporters they check the products that make it to the floor, but it’s hard to monitor every product, KSFY reported.
“I was not aware that it was there or it would have been gone,” Campbell said.
The vendor has been banned from future Dakota Territory gun shows."
http://www.guns.com/2015/03/16/gun-show-bans-vendor-for-racist-targets-video/
So the vendor has lost an income venue and the gun show managers are policing their operations effectively.
No, the gun show operators are doing damage control.
DeleteDid you really expect the organizers--after having a news story expose this--to say, "hey, isn't this great! We believe in all the amendments!'
No, this is like the scene in Casablanca where CAPT Renaud declares he is "shocked" to find gambling is happening at Rick's club even as a manager hands him his gambling winnings.
And your evidence of this is what Jade????....not your opinion but actual evidence...If you have any factual evidence to suggest he is a racist I will also condemn Mr Campbell upon vetting it.
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