Link provided by George Jefferson with the following remarks:
"Keeping You Safe 5% of the time what an F**king joke" and
"TSA/DHS proves they are not worth a squirt of piss let alone Billions a
year in funding..scrap the DHS and give the people back their money and
their liberty"
What this report made me wonder is about the numbers of gun owners who've been caught "forgetting" they have guns while boarding planes. Wouldn't the 95% failure rate apply to that also? Are gun owners aware of this? Is this another "bad rules be damned" kinda thing?
MikeB: "What this report made me wonder is about the numbers of gun owners who've been caught "forgetting" they have guns while boarding planes. Wouldn't the 95% failure rate apply to that also?"
ReplyDeleteNo. Because these tests were deliberate attempts to smuggle weapons passed security- as in simulating what a terrorist would do. These are not cases of putting a duffle bag with a gun in if on the conveyor to see if TSA notices.
"No. Because these tests were deliberate attempts to smuggle weapons passed security- as in simulating what a terrorist would do."
DeleteVery true TS. Plus they have knowledge of TSA protocols. Once when traveling, the TSA found a single rifle round in my assault pack as I was traveling home on a four day pass. On one side, kudos to the guy who spotted it in a pack that had all kinds of stuff in it like flash drives, pens, etc. On the other, they somehow missed it on the previous monthly trips home over the last year and a half since returning from Iraq, which was the last time I carried ammo around.
"In a 2013 hearing on Capitol Hill, then-TSA administrator John Pistole, described the Red Team as “super terrorists,” who know precisely which weaknesses to exploit.
“[Testers] know exactly what our protocols are. They can create and devise and conceal items that … not even the best terrorists would be able to do,” Pistole told lawmakers at a House hearing. "
http://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/exclusive-undercover-dhs-tests-find-widespread-security-failures/story?id=31434881
My thought is that it can only hurt us to publicize these results.
DeleteDeath wish, media-obsessed society out-of-control. No understanding, whatsoever of how to keep a secret or win a war of ideas.
Better wise up. ISIS is behaving in a controlled, efficient way.
But, yeah, let's make it okay to bring guns to airports. What could possibly go wrong?
TS, I didn't see where the folks conducting this test didn't simply put a gun in a duffle bag. I don't see any difference at all between the attempts to purposely beat the TSA system and all the "forgetful" gun owners we keep reading about.
DeleteMikeB: "I didn't see where the folks conducting this test didn't simply put a gun in a duffle bag."
DeleteWhat about the quote that ssgmarkcr just gave us?
"In a 2013 hearing on Capitol Hill, then-TSA administrator John Pistole, described the Red Team as “super terrorists,” who know precisely which weaknesses to exploit.
“[Testers] know exactly what our protocols are. They can create and devise and conceal items that … not even the best terrorists would be able to do,” Pistole told lawmakers at a House hearing. "
Mike: "I don't see any difference at all between the attempts to purposely beat the TSA system and all the "forgetful" gun owners we keep reading about."
Well, one is a whole lot easier to catch because they weren't trying to hide it.
TS, there are only so many places a gun can be when going through airport controls. Trying to hide it and genuinely forgetting it boils down to about the same thing. Plus, most of those guys who "forget," are lying. They were trying their best to hide the gun, just like the guys conducting the experiment.
DeleteMikeB: "Trying to hide it and genuinely forgetting it boils down to about the same thing."
DeleteThey don't treat weapons other than guns that way. If they find a pocket knife in your bag, they take it away and you still make your flight. If they find a razor blade in a hollowed out sole of your shoe, you are going to jail.
But my point was about how TSA can find weapons easier when the passengers aren't trying to hide them. Are you really going to argue against that point.
Also, I'm sure the Red Team was sneaking things on to planes other than guns- because, surprise, you don't need a gun to hijack or crash a plane. I guarantee you their tests didn't involve putting a gun in a duffle bag on the conveyor. Attempting to hide a gun may involve something like disassembling it, carrying the plastic parts through a metal detector and trying to shield the barrel behind something dense for the x-Ray machine. I can't believe you don't see a difference between someone who tries that and someone who forgets (even if you think they did it on purpose for some reason)
Delete"But my point was about how TSA can find weapons easier when the passengers aren't trying to hide them. Are you really going to argue against that point."
DeleteI did argue against that when I said this: "Plus, most of those guys who "forget," are lying. They were trying their best to hide the gun, just like the guys conducting the experiment."
They were trying their best to hide the gun, just like the guys conducting the experiment."
DeleteDoubtful Mike. If they were trying their best, you wouldn't be reading reports of loaded firearms being discovered in carry-ons. You'd be reading about them being found disassembled.
Or you can travel with any number of firearms in checked baggage quite legally. Doesn't it seem a bit contradictory to suggest that gun owners have some sort of unnatural love of their firearms, and then suggest they are willing to not only risk the permanent loss of the firearm, but potentially the total loss of the right to possess any firearms?
"TSA found 1,828 guns among travelers preparing to board planes in 2013, a 20% increase from the year before, according to an analysis of agency data by Northwestern University's Medill National Security Journalism Initiative."
"About 84% of the weapons found were loaded, and one in three had a bullet in the chamber ready to fire, according to the study. The most popular weapons found were .380-caliber and 9 mm handguns."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/01/13/tsa-guns-atlanta-dallas-houston-phoenix-denver-nashville/4456583/
Consider this as well: you suspect the same ratio for gun owners sneaking guns onto planes. What is it- 2000 guns that TSA confiscates per year? So that means there are 40,000 guns that make it onto airplanes with exactly zero of them causing an inflight incident. Something must be done!
ReplyDeleteSo that means there are 40,000 guns that make it onto airplanes with exactly zero of them causing an inflight incident. Something must be done!
DeleteWell done, sir.
This is a good point. Does that mean we should allow guns on planes? I don't think so.
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