Anyone who wasn't nuts would have done or said anything to avoid being part of that illegal, immoral, insane war.
I guess the gun control Nazis think he should have gone and killed a bunch of people who had done him no harm. I guess they're pissed he's not a murderer.
That's not what I think. I agree doing or saying anything to avoid Vietnam was better than going, but in the cases like La Pierre and Ted Nugent, the irony is just too much to ignore.
You mean the irony that they think that people (like the Vietnamese) should have the right to arm and defend themselves? Or, that you shouldn't go around shooting innocent people. I have yet to hear either person advocate murdering their fellow human beings.
I agree doing or saying anything to avoid Vietnam was better than going, but in the cases like La Pierre and Ted Nugent, the irony is just too much to ignore.
Can you point to either of them advocating a warlike foreign policy? I'm not saying they haven't--I'm just unaware of any such advocacy on either of their parts.
An interesting claim without much of anything in the way of actual verification. I did find this,
"Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder)."
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
So then the question might be, did he really suffer from a nervous disorder at the time? Or did the family doctor pencil whip the report for some reason? And of course, there were many things considered a nervous disorder back then, to include homosexuality. And as I'm sure you know, there are various disorders that while they may disqualify you for military service, doesn't make you dangerous. Here was one way a person was able to get such a deferment,
"My roommates and I started thinking and talking more about the draft. It occurred to me that the people on the draft board were human beings who deserved a friendly hello as much as anyone did, so I wrote them a letter.
The letter was very brief. I don’t remember the exact words, but they were something like this: “Dear Draft Board, I feel sorry for President Nixon. He must have had a terrible childhood. Why else would he be bombing all those Cambodians?”
It wasn’t just ink on paper. I thought anyone on a draft board must have a terribly drab life and deserved some cheering up – so, when my breakfast cereal box was empty, I cut out the front panel, which included a colorful cartoon character. I flipped it over to the blank cardboard that had faced the inside of the box. In crayon, with the great innocence that can come from LSD, I wrote the letter that I sent to my draft board.
It wasn’t a conscious attempt to get out of the draft. That payoff hadn’t even occurred to me. But my draft board promptly decided I was crazy, and classified me 4F, unfit for military service. They even phoned my parents to offer condolences. I got off lucky; a more authoritarian board would have drafted my sorry ass right then and there."
http://time.com/3378546/vietnam-draft/
And of course, this internet meme might have just as much truth in it as your recent quote from President Lincoln,
Wayne La Pierre: too crazy to shoot Charlie!
ReplyDeleteAnyone who wasn't nuts would have done or said anything to avoid being part of that illegal, immoral, insane war.
ReplyDeleteI guess the gun control Nazis think he should have gone and killed a bunch of people who had done him no harm. I guess they're pissed he's not a murderer.
orlin sellers
That's not what I think. I agree doing or saying anything to avoid Vietnam was better than going, but in the cases like La Pierre and Ted Nugent, the irony is just too much to ignore.
DeleteYou mean the irony that they think that people (like the Vietnamese) should have the right to arm and defend themselves? Or, that you shouldn't go around shooting innocent people.
DeleteI have yet to hear either person advocate murdering their fellow human beings.
orlin sellers
I agree doing or saying anything to avoid Vietnam was better than going, but in the cases like La Pierre and Ted Nugent, the irony is just too much to ignore.
DeleteCan you point to either of them advocating a warlike foreign policy? I'm not saying they haven't--I'm just unaware of any such advocacy on either of their parts.
An interesting claim without much of anything in the way of actual verification. I did find this,
ReplyDelete"Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder)."
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
So then the question might be, did he really suffer from a nervous disorder at the time? Or did the family doctor pencil whip the report for some reason? And of course, there were many things considered a nervous disorder back then, to include homosexuality. And as I'm sure you know, there are various disorders that while they may disqualify you for military service, doesn't make you dangerous.
Here was one way a person was able to get such a deferment,
"My roommates and I started thinking and talking more about the draft. It occurred to me that the people on the draft board were human beings who deserved a friendly hello as much as anyone did, so I wrote them a letter.
The letter was very brief. I don’t remember the exact words, but they were something like this: “Dear Draft Board, I feel sorry for President Nixon. He must have had a terrible childhood. Why else would he be bombing all those Cambodians?”
It wasn’t just ink on paper. I thought anyone on a draft board must have a terribly drab life and deserved some cheering up – so, when my breakfast cereal box was empty, I cut out the front panel, which included a colorful cartoon character. I flipped it over to the blank cardboard that had faced the inside of the box. In crayon, with the great innocence that can come from LSD, I wrote the letter that I sent to my draft board.
It wasn’t a conscious attempt to get out of the draft. That payoff hadn’t even occurred to me. But my draft board promptly decided I was crazy, and classified me 4F, unfit for military service. They even phoned my parents to offer condolences. I got off lucky; a more authoritarian board would have drafted my sorry ass right then and there."
http://time.com/3378546/vietnam-draft/
And of course, this internet meme might have just as much truth in it as your recent quote from President Lincoln,
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2015/08/lincoln-quote.html
Thanks for that great Vietnam story.
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