There was this incisive observation though.
To be fair, I'm sure if you're a guy who loves guns and is not into that racist, misogynist or Nazi crap, there's a lot of fun to be had at a gun show. But don't try to tell us it's all good clean fun. Many of the clients at these shows are the more stereotypical types who go for that other stuff. That's what brings the purveyors of those things around.
For example, I have never seen or heard of a firearm purchase at a gun show where the buyer was not put through the same registration process that is done at stores.
Am I wrong?
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Nazi collectibles at gun shows has dropped to the point of maybe seeing a couple of daggers in a knife case. Almost gone from shows are almost all WW2 era goodies. Very rarely will you find Japanese flags, British uniforms, French cartridge cases, etc. Even the American G.I. stuff is scarce. In fact, almost gone are the guns themselves. No more racks of Carcanos or Arisakas. Even Enfields and Mausers are missing. Everything has been replaced with evil black rifles and handguns.
ReplyDeleteAbout 10 years ago at a big gun show in Columbus Ohio, I did see a guy selling replica Nazi flags as well as flags from around the world. I was also told he was distributing modern Nazi newsletters. Other than collectibles, that was the only time I ever saw Nazi stuff at a show and I never saw his table set up anywhere again.
I don't know what a Turner Diary is so I don't know if I ever saw one at a show or not. Reloading Manuals can be quite popular though.
Mikeb, Have you ever even been to a gun show?
ReplyDeleteI've only attended a few here in Eugene, Oregon, but at those, I can't recall ever seeing any Nazi or racist garbage... Of course, I wasn't looking for it, either, but I think I would have noticed.
If you haven't been to a gun show, I'm pretty sure a gun enthusiast near you would be happy to pay your admission.
...Orygunner...
"If you haven't been to a gun show, I'm pretty sure a gun enthusiast near you would be happy to pay your admission."
ReplyDeleteMike does not live in the free world. He lives in Europe where gun shows are verboten.
I've been to many, many gun shows in different states--never Oregon. But they hardly vary and that's because gun shows are essentially a circuit. They are managed and promoted by a certain group and most of the vendors travel with the gun show.
ReplyDeleteYou will generally find neo-Nazi crap and folks selling what they claim to be "militaria". Of course, serious militaria collectors wouldn't go to a gun show anymore than a stamp collector would go to a quilting show.
Turner Diaries and Unintended Consequences are almost always there as are the self-publihed novels of NRA members revolting against a tyrannical Govt.
New World Order stuff is still abundant and there are usually several vendors hawking DVDs and CDs that show how you can become a "sovreign citizen" and pay no taxes or otherwise disobey laws you disagree with. These, along with autmatic weapon conversion manuals, are "for educational purposes only."
Since Obama's election, you have seen an upswing in white supremacist materials. Birther stuff is almost everywhere.
Jade must hang out with some subversive elements. The shows in Ohio just aren't that exciting.
ReplyDeleteI've never been to a gun show, but I believe Jadegold's description which perfectly matches many articles I've read and videos I've seen. Maybe Orygunner and FWM are going to the wrong shows, or maybe you guys have selective memories.
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ReplyDeleteWell, usually when I go to a gun show, I'm looking at the guns or the other nifty stuff. the next time I go, I'm going to look for the subversive elements you describe...
I would love to get my hands on a copy of Unintended Consequences though, have you ever read it? Really a fantastic book. Some fictionalized history, but really a great story.
...Orygunner...
"If people say The Turner Diaries was my Bible, Unintended Consequences would be my New Testament. I think Unintended Consequences is a better book. It might have changed my whole plan of operation if I'd read that one first."
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@Jadegold:
ReplyDeleteSo a madman (McVeigh) liked the book. I'm sure we could find all sorts of examples of evil people liking things or following what they THINK they are being told to do.
You should read the book, it's really good and explains a lot about the gun culture, what the BATF has done with gun control, and why law-abiding gun owners just want to be left the hell alone.
...Orygunner...
Oh, and Unintended Consequences isn't racist civil war overthrowing government white supremacist crap like the Turner Diaries.
ReplyDeleteIt's a story of gun owners victimized by some corrupt BATF agents (and to a certain extent, the anti-gun politicians in government), who then take out their revenge on the corrupt system, forcing the government to acquiesce and rescind all gun control laws.
I believe you can actually search and find a PDF on the Internet without too much trouble, since the book doesn't seem to be in print any longer.
...Orygunner...
Funny that I had to learn about the existence of these books from Jade Gold. I've never heard of them before nor have I seen them at any gun shows.
ReplyDelete"Guns are bad emmm Kay... the Nazi's used guns and they were baaadd eemmm Kay! Guns are bad"
ReplyDelete-Mr. Macky, Anti-Gun Advocate
I wonder what will happen to the blog if I read both those books?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think?
Mikeb,
ReplyDeleteI can't attest to the Turner Diaries, because I haven't read it, nor am I interested in reading it. Racist white supremacist crap goes against the fiber of my being...
As far as Unintended Consequences, you might get an appreciation of how many people involved in the gun culture just want to be left alone, not restricted and their guns controlled by laws that don't effect the criminals. There's a great speech partway through the book by the protagonist Henry Bowman about how no matter how many hoops law-abiding gun owners jump through, the government just keeps making things harder and harder and more restrictive for the gun culture instead of appreciating and thanking them for the positive things they do for society. (or something like that).
...Orygunner...
O: What positive things does the 'gun culture' do for society?
ReplyDeleteWe all get to pay more for everything because of gunloons. We get about 30K dead American citizens.
I can appreciate that people just want to be left alone, but the problem is too many of them are not responsible enough to do it right. They need to be constrained to do the right thing. The proof of that is the ubiquitous nature of gun availability in the criminal world. If you gun owners, who want so much to be left alone, could hold onto your guns, no one would be complaining.
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