Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Are israeli Teachers Really armed?

Somewhere in an alternative reality lies the gunloon universe where armed people walk about happy, but it's not really Switzerland, or Israel, as this blog post points out.  The post is written by Ron Cantor, the executive pastor of Tiferet Yeshua congregation in Tel Aviv who also leads a ministry in Tel Aviv called Messiah’s Mandate. His comment about this picture is:
There is a picture going around the Internet that I have seen about a dozen times today that claims that Israeli teachers are packing heat. Well, are they? The answer is “NO.”
The author then goes onto point out the realities of guns in Israel.  His conclusion:
Israel’s successful gun ownership laws both serve to make sure upstanding, brave and mentally sound citizens have access to guns, and that those who present even a minor threat are prevented from possessing one. It would be a mistake to use Israel as the poster child for more weapons in the US, as our success here is much more connected to limiting weapons and enabling strategies such as gates, fences and armed guards (not armed teachers), to protect our children. Sorry to disappoint, but the truth is important.
Yet another gunloon myth bites the dust. In fact, there was hostility when someone tried to form an Israeli version of the NRA in 2008.
Yet it remains doubtful whether pro-gun advocacy will become as important in Israel as it is in the U.S. "The general trend to transplant American ideas to other countries is often not successful or very useful," said Gerald Steinberg, chairman of political studies at Bar Ilan University and an expert on American culture. The arguments put forward by the Israeli NRA are not convincing, he told Anglo File.
"We don't need a situation where hundreds of people shoot in all kinds of different directions in the case of a terror attack. That's the job of the police or the army," Steinberg said. He said that if more people carried guns the chances of more people getting hurt would be greater than the chance of neutralizing an attacker more quickly. "The last thing we want in Israel is an American gun culture," he added. "Israel has enough dangers, and making it easier for people on the street to carry guns is not what we need."


  1. So one thing the article tells us is that Israel has already implemented the Recommendation of the NRA. And in Israel the question doesn't need to be asked,

    "You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?"

    "In the picture, the students are on an outing. While it appears that the teacher is holding a rifle, I have never seen such a thing in ten years of living here. Rest assured however, they are under armed protection. In most cases it is an armed guard or a soldier that will accompany a class, not the teacher. And my guess is that the woman with the gun is a security guard, not a teacher."

    "Secondly, they are not armed in the classroom. Is that really the image you want to imprint on the minds of six-year-olds? (That would be Hamas) On the other hand. I have never seen a school in Israel that was not fenced in. You must go through a locked gate that is guarded by an armed shomer, a security guard. He or she, on the other hand, is not concerned with educating, but protecting. He or she will ask you why you are there? “What is your child’s name?” “Show me your I.D. card.” And he or she would not let you bring a weapon inside."

  2. Laci, I realize that you're speaking to gun rights advocates of all kinds, but why don't you talk to us every once in a while? Many of the regulars here already know this. We also have good arguments that you should consider, rather than dismissing.

    1. You don't want to say what they are, you are just making a troll comment.

    2. Greg,
      Laci has already made up hid mind, so in his eyes, there is no point in responding at all. I included Laci's opinion on the subject that was posted not so very long ago.
      My belief is that all you need to do to make people effective at responding to an active shooter is training. Plus, there isn't much chaos involved once you get the door locked and innocents behind you. Then you just have to focus on the door and front sight, press

      "This video uses examples to illustrate why in most cases, "good guys with guns" are not going to save lives...they are going to take them. Yes, there are always a few contrary examples, but by and large, most ordinary people are going to freeze, react so badly they get shot themselves without affecting the outcome, or shoot the wrong person."

    3. Sarge, that's why I've said all along that I have no objection to giving teachers training in active shooter situations before they're allowed to carry on campus.

    4. No response from the lying criminal coward, as usual.

  3. Fascinating post. I love the way gun-rights advocates propagate these myths and then when called on them, simply say they knew it all along.

    1. You've seen us propagating this?

    2. I've seen this meme on Facebook. They sort of take on a life of their own, whether accurate or not.

  4. School teacher carry gun? can we imagine that. They are most respectful teacher.
    Personal Bodyguard
    thank you