Local news reports
A Wausau man with a concealed-carry permit is accused of pulling a loaded gun on the owner of a town of Cleveland business and threatening to shoot him, according to court documents.
Thomas Krautkramer, 30, was arrested Thursday afternoon when a man working at a Cleveland business told police Krautkramer and another man came to the business demanding money; when the worker refused, Krautkramer threatened to shoot him, according to court documents.
Krautkramer will appear in Marathon County Circuit Court Wednesday, where he faces one felony count of making threats to injure. Misdemeanor charges of intentionally pointing a firearm at a person and disorderly conduct also were filed Friday against Krautkramer in connection with the incident, which was reported Thursday.
Marathon County Circuit Judge LaMont Jacobsen on Friday ordered Krautkramer not to possess any weapons as a condition of bond. That order will trigger a suspension of his concealed-carry permit, Wisconsin Department of Justice Deputy Administrator David Zibolski said, because the DOJ checks court records daily for convictions or bail conditions that can result in license suspension or revocation.
If Krautkramer is convicted, his permit will be revoked.
I thought you said no one ever checks to see if these people are permit holders. Apparently in the State of Wisconsin they check every day. I guess you can just go to Wisconsin and get all the stories you want about how badly permit holders are behaving overall right. There must be thousands a day.
ReplyDeleteWell, what happens is in some few cases the reporters uncover the fact that the idiot gun owner had a permit. Then it gets included in the news. Otherwise, in many cases, no one checks.
DeleteMikeb, can you read? "The DOJ checks court records daily..."
DeleteWisconsin must have some weird laws. I always though that when you point a weapon at someone with ill intent, it was called aggravated assault.
ReplyDeleteNo attempted robbery charge either. Sounds really weird.
DeleteYes, something's odd here, since this sounds like a robbery, but did you notice that part about how the state checks daily?
ReplyDeleteYeah, and of course you believe that and that they do it efficiently.
DeleteYou're being unreasonable here. Are records ever left out? Probably, but unless you're telling us that the courts don't routinely submit records, I don't see what you're doubting.
DeleteThe site lying coward claiming someone else is being unreasonable? Just full of shit today aren't you?
DeleteMike likes to assert that many permit holders break the law and no one notices because police don't check. I've shown that to be incorrect in Minnesota because the annual reports generated by the state even list traffic violations and other offences in which the firearm isn't even used.
ReplyDeleteAnd what about nationally? Is Mike correct?
DeleteAnon, I can't speak to this on the national level with any credibility. Three states come to mind right off that don't because they don't require a permit at all. Those states are Alaska, Arizona, and Vermont.
DeleteI also don't know the process involved in keeping track. My guess is that it gets run through a database of permits when records are sent in at a state level.
That being said, mike makes this statement as an absolute, which suggests that it's never done. I'll try to find an example here. I believe michigan also does it because when I was looking at VPCs concealed carry killers site, there were listings of suicides by michigan permit holders in their list.
So, showing that at least one state and possibly another has a system in place to check for crimes committed by permit holders would disprove that absolute statement.
Do the majority of states not check? I can't say, but since you often see people charged for carrying without a permit, my guess is they do. Especially if you are carrying when you're arrested.
Is there any State that requires on their State drivers license a notation that the person has a permit to carry a gun?
DeleteI'm not aware of any state that puts such a notation on drivers' licenses, but many make a notation in the records that the police check on every traffic stop.
DeleteNot that I know of either. It would make it a challenge if you got a permit before your DL expired. Different states have different rules regarding informing police also.
DeleteIn South Carolina, the concealed carry permit is good for four years, has your photo on it and is a separate laminated document not to be confused with a driver's license.
DeleteSC law also requires you to let the officer know right away if you are carrying and you have a permit.* If you don't have your firearm with you, then you don't have to tell the officer anything.
* That means keeping both hands in plain sight on the steering wheel until you notify the officer that you have a permit, are carrying and where your firearm is.
The fact that in Minnesota and some other states, you have evidence of SOME permit holders being identified when they get arrested does not mean that those investigations are comprehensive and uncover ALL offenders.
DeleteMikeb, you've just been shown that Wisconsin checks every day. Minnesota and Texas give out reports from their state police agencies on conviction rates. That's three for three. You have yet to show any evidence that states don't check.
DeleteMike, that might be the case in states with constitutional carry sine there is no permit to check, but as a rule, if someone gets taken in by the police, they get searched before being put in the car and again at the station. If the state requires a permit and you're carrying a gun, they will likely want to see it.
DeleteThe fact that permit holders are listed as having violated traffic offences that normally only involve getting a ticket shows that it is a routine process.
Michigan also checks because the VPC uses the reports to inflate the numbers on their concealed carry killers report
Three States out of 50, that's concrete proof? SS already admitted he does not know about the rest of the country. Maybe the lying criminal coward has proof besides his biased opinion.
DeleteAnon, I've actually observed five states, Minnesota, Michigan, North Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin. And I also identified three that dont because they have constitutional carry. Perhaps others here can check their home or bordering states and add to the list.
DeleteI don't really have time to do an exhaustive study since I have school and Army stuff to do.
Then why make a general statement you not only cannot back up but admitted you only know for sure about a few States?
Delete"It's really hard to tell just how bad the permit holders are. So many incidents keep happening and no one is checking what permits and licenses the idiot gun owners have in their wallets."
Deletehttp://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/01/florida-lawful-gun-owner-shoots-himself.html
As I said earlier Anon, Mike likes to make statements like the one above, and all I do is show that he is wrong. I don't have to know the status of ALL the states to disprove his absolute statement.
Do you know if your home state checks?
Doesn't cut it. You stated you only know about MN, then stated twice you don't know about the rest of the country, but are still calling someone else dishonest in their claim. Get some proof maybe someone will believe you, but you do have the hurdle of being proven wrong MANY times before.
DeleteActually I said above that I know the status of eight states, three of which I showed don't check. How many states have to be shown to check when Mike says no one is checking.
DeleteConsidering you claim you didn't have time to respond to another of my questions then went on to post comments on multiple post for the last hour, now claim you don't know but decide Mike is being dishonest anyways, you will need more than just your opinion since you have been proven to lie MANY times before.
DeleteMike, you might want to correct the title, this took place in Wisconsin, not Ohio.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Cleveland threw me off.
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