A 50-year-old Spanish Fork man died Monday after he accidentally shot himself in the stomach.
Rowland L. Denison had been conscious and communicative when police received a 911 call and found him at 2021 E. Canyon Road about 6:30 a.m. Monday. He told officers he was removing his .270-caliber rifle from his vehicle when it fired, striking him in the stomach.
He was taken to Mountain View Hospital in Payson, where doctors wanted to fly him to Utah Valley Regional Medical Center in Provo, said Spanish Fork Police Lt. Matt Johnson. However weather conditions prevented the flight, so Denison underwent emergency surgery in Payson. He later was flown to Utah Valley, where he died Monday afternoon.
No worries for the wonderful statistics of concealed carry permit holders who do wrong. Guys like this don't count even if someone bothers to check.
"No worries for the wonderful statistics of concealed carry permit holders who do wrong. "
ReplyDeleteWell Mike, I'm afraid you are wrong on your assertion that no one checks. In Utah, they do check. Much like Minnesota, Utah publishes periodic reports as to how many carry permits are issued, denied, revoked, and suspended. They also report the reasons for these actions. Though I'm not sure how this one would be classified I don't think killing yourself, either accidentally or on purpose, and its doubtful they'll be revoking his permit, if he has one.
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/brady_statistics.html
What I keep telling you is I'm not convinced the "checking" is thorough and comprehensive. Plus, as I often point out, whenever the permit holder ends up dead as a result of his misuse of the gun, that doesn't count because a dead man's permit is not suspended or revoked. And, let's not forget the frequent items I post about people who do wrong and are not charged at all.
DeleteCombine all that and your stats are about worthless.
There are some 600 accidental gunshot deaths in a given year. Of those, about 200 are children--who can't have a permit in the first place. Even if you insist that all 400 of the remainder were license holders, that still doesn't change the percentage of all license holders very much.
DeleteBut people who do something wrong and live will raise flags in the system. Does anyone get missed? Undoubtedly. But as more and more of these records are on computer, it's just a matter of pressing buttons. And you've been shown that state agencies do just that.
MikeB - if you don't trust the government agency tasked with "checking" the existing permit holders, what makes you think they will be effective in running background checks for gun purchases?
DeleteTypical gun loon response. The deaths are insignificant to the total, so it's not an issue.
DeleteGreg, why are you limiting your discussion to child deaths. When one of you lawful cowboys non-lethally shoots a kid, doesn't that count?
DeleteBecause, Mikeb, you said that when someone dies through a self-inflicted accidental gun shot, no one checks to see if the person had a permit. Certainly, people who are involved in accidental gun injuries are checked.
DeleteYou're pretending to not get what I was saying. I was pointing out your dishonesty in continually citing death stats as if they comprise ALL the damage that is done. The harm done with guns extends far beyond the number of people killed.
DeleteNo, I'm saying that we know how many people die of accidental gunfire in a given year, and even if no one checks those people for licenses, the number is small enough that it wouldn't move the total much. But when the gun's owner is still alive, someone is checking for all manner of things, including carry licenses.
DeleteMikeb, you just can't resist speculating without proof, can you.
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