Actually, that's false. In every state, you have to have an ID if you buy from a licensed dealer. That would be the equivalent of casting a vote in a public election. Now if you belong to a club, you can vote for officers or by-laws and usually not need ID.
No, Mikeb, if you buy from a licensed dealer, you have to have ID. That's the law. But did you notice how I offered examples of private organizations that also conduct votes? That's like private sales.
Greg is absolutely correct and I can vouch for that, as my family has been in the gun business since the 80s. Any FFL holder who did not follow such law would be out of business and likely in jail.
Elizabeth, maybe you're playing dumb too. When someone qualifies the statement with the description, FFL dealer, and pretends there are no other ways of buying guns, they are full of shit. Get it? That's what Greg does all the time.
Greg said, " In every state, you have to have an ID if you buy from a licensed dealer. " Well, no shit, Sherlock. The post said guns can be bought without a background check. We're not limiting the discussion to FFL guys, are we? So when Greg does so, he's being a lying trickster as usual.
Hey--genius, the word "lie" has an actual meaning, and as it happens, that meaning does not apply to the making of true statements. Greg said absolutely nothing untrue.
Therefore, anyone calling him a liar is both one of those and a hypocrite.
Have it your way, Kurt. It's cute that you come to Greg's defense. He's the master at twisting and using half-truths to deceive or just to be disagreeable and contentious. I try never to let him get away with it. But, by all means, defend his mendacious bullshit.
Thank you so much for your "permission" to point out that you have as far as I can tell failed so far to demonstrate a single instance of Greg making an untrue statement--ever.
Greg, by the way, defends himself quite well, and needs my help about as much as I need your "permission" (snicker).
Mr. Clinton is only referring to federal laws covering private sales. There are several states which have passed laws mandating background checks on all purchases. Here is a more accurate map.
Actually, no, Mikeb. Each time I've registered to vote, I've filled out a form and mailed it in or handed it to a clerk and went on my way. No ID required.
The very legitimacy of the electoral process demands that every voter is known to be qualified (citizen, old enough, lives in the district in which he/she is voting, hasn't already voted). The acquisition of firearms, on the other hand, being precisely none of the government's business, is an entirely different matter.
Besides, for most of us, any evaluation of how "easy" something is would have to include how inexpensive it is. Some of my guns cost well over $2,000. Never, on the other hand, have I been billed for a vote.
Actually, that's false. In every state, you have to have an ID if you buy from a licensed dealer. That would be the equivalent of casting a vote in a public election. Now if you belong to a club, you can vote for officers or by-laws and usually not need ID.
ReplyDeletePlease cite your proof
Delete"If you buy from a licensed dealer." Are you playing dumb again, Greg?
DeleteNo, Mikeb, if you buy from a licensed dealer, you have to have ID. That's the law. But did you notice how I offered examples of private organizations that also conduct votes? That's like private sales.
DeleteGreg is absolutely correct and I can vouch for that, as my family has been in the gun business since the 80s. Any FFL holder who did not follow such law would be out of business and likely in jail.
DeleteElizabeth, maybe you're playing dumb too. When someone qualifies the statement with the description, FFL dealer, and pretends there are no other ways of buying guns, they are full of shit. Get it? That's what Greg does all the time.
DeleteGreg said, " In every state, you have to have an ID if you buy from a licensed dealer. " Well, no shit, Sherlock. The post said guns can be bought without a background check. We're not limiting the discussion to FFL guys, are we? So when Greg does so, he's being a lying trickster as usual.
Hey--genius, the word "lie" has an actual meaning, and as it happens, that meaning does not apply to the making of true statements. Greg said absolutely nothing untrue.
DeleteTherefore, anyone calling him a liar is both one of those and a hypocrite.
Have it your way, Kurt. It's cute that you come to Greg's defense. He's the master at twisting and using half-truths to deceive or just to be disagreeable and contentious. I try never to let him get away with it. But, by all means, defend his mendacious bullshit.
DeleteThank you so much for your "permission" to point out that you have as far as I can tell failed so far to demonstrate a single instance of Greg making an untrue statement--ever.
DeleteGreg, by the way, defends himself quite well, and needs my help about as much as I need your "permission" (snicker).
Mr. Clinton is only referring to federal laws covering private sales. There are several states which have passed laws mandating background checks on all purchases. Here is a more accurate map.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html
I've never shown an ID to vote. What are they even talking about? Plus unusually vote by mail. It doesn't get any easier than that.
ReplyDeleteBut you did have to show one to register to vote, right?
DeleteNope. You can register to vote online. Tell me how that's harder than buying a gun.
DeleteActually, no, Mikeb. Each time I've registered to vote, I've filled out a form and mailed it in or handed it to a clerk and went on my way. No ID required.
DeleteThe very legitimacy of the electoral process demands that every voter is known to be qualified (citizen, old enough, lives in the district in which he/she is voting, hasn't already voted). The acquisition of firearms, on the other hand, being precisely none of the government's business, is an entirely different matter.
ReplyDeleteBesides, for most of us, any evaluation of how "easy" something is would have to include how inexpensive it is. Some of my guns cost well over $2,000. Never, on the other hand, have I been billed for a vote.
Hell, you need an ID to march in a protest of Voter ID
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tulsatoday.com/2014/02/12/naacp-bring-photo-id-to-protest-photo-id/
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