--(Ammoland.com)- I won’t be around to see it, but I have little doubt that future historians and others will conclude that President Barack Hussein Obama was the worst President ever to serve in that office.
The reason is simple enough. His decisions on domestic and foreign affairs have already demonstrated his astonishing incompetence. His major contribution may in fact be to ensure that the voters elect conservatives in the next two or more elections to come. If he is remembered for anything it well may be the emergence of the Tea Party movement whose influence has been seen over the course of two midterm elections.
I'm not getting the photoshop thing. As the article says, history will decide how well he is treated. And on the foreign affairs side, after overseeing our withdrawal from Iraq, an Armored Brigade Combat Team is being sent to Kuwait.
ReplyDelete"FORT CARSON, Colo. (AP) — More than 4,000 Fort Carson soldiers are heading to Kuwait, where they will take over as one of America's largest ground forces in the region after President Barack Obama asked Congress to authorize military action against terrorists who are cutting a large swath across the Middle East."
http://news.yahoo.com/brigade-headed-kuwait-one-largest-us-forces-region-165828173.html;_ylt=AwrBJR8zzOFUaAsA3dCamolQ
You don't think the picture looks a bit darker than normal?
DeleteI honestly cant say since I've never seen the man in person. To me it looks some professional photo session with the weird lights and reflectors and such. I did do an image search and saw some not too different.
DeleteKeep in mind that most of the photos are taken where there is no control over lighting, or the kind that helps video and not still photos. Personally, I think its a photo that seems well composed and show him to be serious and focused. I certainly don't see it showing him negatively at all.
Do some searches online, Mike. It isn't hard at all to find photography articles about people having difficulty with lighting for darker skin tones and how many photographers have trouble. One of the no-nos in a couple I saw were photographing in bright light, which politicians are often under.
DeleteJudging by the bright reflections, it looks to me like the photo may have been washed out by the lights and someone turned up the contrast to bring out color, but that led to the shadows being very dark.
Your obsession with race is causing you to explain with malice what can easily be explained by inexperience, haste, or adverse lighting conditions. You're beginning to sound like the hysterics who try to find racial subtexts in the light side vs. the dark side, etc.
The image looks dark to me. Whether it was photoshopped or selected for that effect, the fact remains they presented an especially dark image to make him look more sinister and evil. The title is "the worst president ever." A smiling, brightly lit photo would have been inappropriate
DeleteThe image looks dark to me. Whether it was photoshopped or selected for that effect, the fact remains they presented an especially dark image to make him look more sinister and evil.
DeleteA view that might make some sense to someone who associates dark skin with evil.
What does that say about you, Mikeb?
So in your mind dark skinned people are "sinister and evil"? Wow.
DeleteNot really sure I see dark and evil in this picture, I do see contemplative and his posture and expression seem more in line with having something heavy on his mind, but hey if you see dark and evil that's on you. As far as the worst president, history will judge his standing. I know there are a lot of things he has done and said that I significantly disagree with though.
DeleteYeah, keep pretending that news outlets, Ammoland in this case, don't select pictures very carefully to either promote or denigrate people. In this case, the expression, the color, even the background color, all of it was to synchronize with their bullshit story about the worst president ever.
Delete"In this case, the expression, the color, even the background color, all of it was to synchronize with their bullshit story about the worst president ever."
DeleteMike, I'm not sure who exactly you were talking to, but in my line of work, menacing looks aren't necessarily bad depending on who its being directed at, ISIS for instance.
So in this case, at least from my perspective, Ammoland,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI
You got a smile out of me with that video, but what did it have to do with this discussion?
Delete"He chose ... poorly."
"but what did it have to do with this discussion?"
DeleteIf Ammoland's intent was to portray the President as evil and foreboding by use of that photo, then they failed. At least from my perspective.
Got it, but disagree.
DeleteOh No! Someone thinks Obama is worse than Bush! Quick, scream racism and make allegations about photoshop conspiracies!
ReplyDeleteI just calls 'em like I sees 'em.
DeleteThe reason is simple enough? Ok then it shouldn't be too hard to actually list the reason...and yet no reason is given. Strange. Or perhaps not.
ReplyDeleteI've seen that article, and did not see any mention of race, anywhere. Maybe the "transparent racism" is on the part of the one who edited the title of the article to include the word "Blackest."
ReplyDeleteNo, Kurt, inexplicable Obama Hate is always motivated by racism.
DeleteNo, Kurt, inexplicable Obama Hate is always motivated by racism.
DeleteMuch of this notional "Obama Hate" seems pretty explicable to me.
"No, Kurt, inexplicable Obama Hate is always motivated by racism.".....And on with the show!!!!
DeleteWhat exactly to your mind, Mike, qualifies as inexplicable Obama hate? It has seemed so far that you consider the overwhelming percentage of any opposition or disagreement to be "Obama hate" and you seem to count almost any opposition to him as hate and racism. I only speak to how it appears from what I have read, so I'm trying to read your mind.
DeleteWrong. Criticism of the drone program or the perpetual war syndrome is never referred to as Obama hate by me. But other things are. Calling him the worst president ever, for example.
DeleteBull Shit, Mike. Not long ago I criticized him for the drone policy, for the wars without congressional approval, and for executive power grabs--in a post where I said that Bush laid the groundwork for him--and you went on and on about my "Inexplicable Obama Hate" and finally told us that it was OK when such criticisms came from you and from the left, but when it came from people on the right, or at least from pro gun people, it was "hate" and racist.
Delete. . . and finally told us that it was OK when such criticisms came from you and from the left, but when it came from people on the right, or at least from pro gun people, it was "hate" and racist.
DeleteYep:
In other words, when you criticize Obama, it's legitimate "disillusionment." When Republicans, "conservatives," and libertarians do so, it's "racism."
To which the reply was:
Yeah, pretty much that's it.
I remember that too, SJ. You had a very long, detailed post explaining exactly the issues you have with Obama, mostly around foreign policy. Then Mike called that "inexplicable Obama hate", seemingly ignoring the meaning of the word "inexplicable".
DeleteI concur with Kurt and SJ I have been called an Obama hater many times by you Mike just for speaking of the things he has done.....I remember the post Kurt speaks of well
DeleteIt's one thing to criticize the drone program, I myself do that based on philosophy and morality. (I think it was wrong to murder bin Laden, for example. He should have been arrested and tried like any other criminal). What the Obama haters do when referencing the drone program is call him a murderer and a murderer of US citizens. That's different.
DeleteSo calling him a murderer using drone strikes is different than calling him a murderer of Bin Laden? How so? How is one "inexplicable Obama hate" while the other isn't? Is it just the US citizen thing? Because you also said calling him just a “murderer” is also “different”.
DeleteAl mawlaki and his son, both US citizens were killed in obamas drone strike. And if you consider taking out bin laden murder then you have to apply the same logic to al mawlaki. So if bin laden deserved a trial so did they. Not to mention AG hokder himself has said the presidents consideration is an adequate form of due process
DeleteThat post where I explained some of my problems with Obama was also based on philosophy and morality. Same thing all of my differences with the man are based on, whether in foreign or domestic policy. I explained these differences and yet, rather than argue that my philosophical or moral analysis was wrong, you declared me an inexplicable hater and racist.
DeleteYou, like so many other progressives, use words like "racist" as a hammer to try and squash opponents into silence. Some do this knowing that their charges are false. Others (and I think you fall into this camp) genuinely believe it because they can't understand or explain the contempt for this president in any other way.
This isn't something unique to progressives--I've known people on all sides who fell into the same trap of not being able to understand their opponents--this is the same thing that leads some conservatives to assume that the only explanation for Democrat policies is that they hate America.
The only way to avoid this kind of trap is to seek some level of understanding of the other side's philosophy and motivations. If you do this, I promise that you can find plenty of explanations that don't involve race at all for positions on guns, abortion, war, police policy, foreign policy, immigration, executive actions, executive branch rule making, etc.
As an added bonus, when you understand the other side's philosophy, you can actually argue on those grounds and may persuade some of them. If you just keep explaining things via racism all you do is piss people off, ensure they entrench, and deaden them to the sting of being called a racist so that they learn to just ignore it and move on. This last point can be a real problem if they actually do have some racist opinions as they will be less likely to self-evaluate when called out on these.
OK Mike if it is not crime when a US President orders that US citizens are to be targeted and executed without even attempting to arrest and charge them before bringing them to trial then what is it?....These men were not collateral damage they were not on a battlefield they were not in the act of committing a crime they themselves were targeted by order of the President by his own admission.....if that does not amount crime then what does?......If denying OBL a trial was wrong then certainly denying US citizens a fair trial is wrong is it not?....and how is thinking so Obama hate? ...Please dont duck theses ?s
DeleteThen explain SJ why people on your side use words like Socialist, Communist, American hater, Muslim lover, not American born, to describe a person they only have philosophical differences with? Why do they call his wife, the first wookie? Why attack her simply because she wants people to eat better? This goes beyond philosophical differences, and maybe your morals include thinking blacks are inferior to whites? Many people have that kind of sick morality.
Delete"So calling him a murderer using drone strikes is different than calling him a murderer of Bin Laden? How so? "
DeleteDid I call him a murderer? NO.
George, the use of drones strikes in the so-called war on terror is not the same as murder. Simple. These are acts of war, in many cases ones which I disagree with, but to call the Commander-in-Chief a murderer for them is a manifestation of Obama hate.
Sandra,
DeleteWow. Two comments today in which you falsely accuse me of racism. I might be hurt...if I cared about the ravings of unstable and fallacious debaters.
My last post already explained the use of some terms like "America hating", which you might have noticed if you were truly interested in discussing the topic rather than insulting your opponents. It's a waste of time to even bother answering your type of comment.
These are acts of war, in many cases ones which I disagree with, but to call the Commander-in-Chief a murderer for them is a manifestation of Obama hate.
DeleteSo anyone who called LBJ or Nixon "murderer" for all the killing in Vietnam was a "hater"? Should all of those haters who were not white be considered "racist"?
Mike you sound just like FOX news defending Bushes crimes and declaring that anyone who dares to speak the truth shall be deemed a hater....
DeleteIf speaking the truth makes me an Obama hater in your dishonest opinion then I am OK with that....
"These are acts of war, in many cases ones which I disagree with, but to call the Commander-in-Chief a murderer for them is a manifestation of Obama hate.".................Obama is at war with underage American citizens abroad who have not been accused of any crime? Obama is at war with Yemen?......There is no evidence the boy was involved with anything his father who he had not seen in two years was doing.
You got the act of war part right though in the wrong context....Obama committed acts of war against a sovereign nation Yemen multiple times and we should expect some payback from them at some point for such egregious violations of their sovereignty
If you believe Obama is not guilty of anything then you must also believe Bush is innocent for they were both operating under the same AUMF2001....your HATE for Bush and the Republicans has blinded you from seeing things honestly
MikeB: "Did I call him a murderer? NO."
DeleteMikeB (slightly earlier in the thread): "I think it was wrong to murder bin Laden, for example. He should have been arrested and tried like any other criminal"
If you don't want to be called racist SJ, stop making racist statements.
Delete"If you believe Obama is not guilty of anything then you must also believe Bush is innocent for they were both operating under the same AUMF2001....your HATE for Bush and the Republicans has blinded you from seeing things honestly"
DeleteGJ, Bush lied about Iraq's involvement in the 9/11 attacks and that they had WMDs. Obama authorized the use of drones in the war on terrorist targets. You think they're the same?
I did refer to the Seal Team 6 operation as "the murder of bin Laden." Yes, but that's still a long way from calling Obama a murderer, don't you think?
I did refer to the Seal Team 6 operation as "the murder of bin Laden." Yes, but that's still a long way from calling Obama a murderer, don't you think?
DeleteIf the killing of bin Laden was "murder," how do you separate the person who ordered that killing (I trust you'll not claim deny that the order came from the very top) from the "murder"? If a hit man hired by me killed Bloomberg at my behest, would I not be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder?
Actually mike, while I'm sure you won't believe me it's worth noting that a significant number of soldiers are now coming back with injuries from chemical weapons exposure, recently operation avarice has been coming to light and there are chemical weapons in Syria that were made in Iraq, not to mention that in 2003 ODA 574 found several bomb making houses which included equipment to disguise bombs, schematics for chemical weapons, samples of chemical agents as well as schematics, mock ups and one working model of airport X-Ray machines.
DeleteMike: “I did refer to the Seal Team 6 operation as "the murder of bin Laden." Yes, but that's still a long way from calling Obama a murderer, don't you think?”
DeleteSure. It would be if you didn’t give him credit for it. Oh, wait…
MikeB: “I don't give Obama a pass. But I recognize the difference between Bush and Obama. Who's watch suffered the 9/11 attack? Who's had Osama bin Laden killed, not that I particularly approve of the way that was done.”
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-bush-cheney-legacy.html
MikeB: “I've heard very little about Obama getting credit for killing bin Laden, especially from the conservatives and Republicans.”
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2015/02/police-in-washington-state-fatally.html
In addition to what MikeZ says, there are news stories you can find about the chemical weapons we found in Iraq. The stories bend over backwards to point out that they predated the period Bush was talking about rather than being newly made, but they were still in the arsenals, so it's wrong to say that they didn't have the weapons.
DeleteAs for the 9/11 thing, can you show me anywhere that Bush claimed that Iraq was involved in that attack? I don't remember that assertion ever being made by the administration and would like to see it if they did make it somewhere. All I remember was statements that Saddam was cozying up to Al-Zarquawi or some other Al-Qaeda operative and a bunch of debate about whether this was because he felt solidarity with them or wanted to give tacit support so they wouldn't attack his regime.
On a completely different subject, Mike, it was kind of Sandra to provide an example of what I was talking about above. Remember: when you stretch to try and make everything the other side supports be because of racism your actions come off looking like Sandra's. You never want to argue like Sandra.
MikeB: “Bush lied about Iraq's involvement in the 9/11 attacks and that they had WMDs.”
DeleteHow do you know that he lied about this, as opposed to be just being wrong?
I opposed going into Iraq even if Saddam had WMDs, but do we really have evidence that Bush/Cheney orchestrated false intelligence and managed a massive cover-up afterward?
TS, Again you fall back on the "evidence" excuse for not accepting something. Use your head, man. The most powerful politician in the world with the top advisors on the planet was just mistaken? C'mon, be honest. Do you believe that?
DeleteMy pointing out that Obama rarely received credit for "getting" bin Laden doesn't mean I liked the way it was done. It only points out the selective reporting by the Obama haters.
Hey SJ, how about those "mushroom clouds?" And what was Bush's excuse to attack Iraq? The US Arny's official report after a 2 year search of Iraq said there were no WMD's (look it up) but you have "stories" that prove otherwise? Please share those "stories" with us. .
DeleteThe most powerful politician in the world with the top advisors on the planet was just mistaken?
DeleteThere's a rather huge difference between "most powerful" and "most intelligent," and Bush is rarely accused of being too cerebral. As for "the top advisors on the planet"--you mean Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld? Presidents choose their advisors, Mikeb, and Bush chose some that were less stupid, but more nefarious, than he is (on that note, this Onion article still cracks me up.
I don't know if Bush really thought invading Iraq was the only way to prevent mushroom clouds over major American cities, but I don't see how the possibility that the dumbass thought precisely that can be ruled out.
Yeah, I know... me and my requirement of evidence. How silly of me for not being a conspiracy theorist instead.
DeleteHow about you use your head for a second? Don't you think there would be a least one Bush hater out there who would want to blow the whistle on this and go to the press with "I was ordered to fabricate intelligence on WMDs"?
So let's assume it happened simply because it fits the agenda? Wanting evdidence is hardly and excuse mike. And what's more likely? The idea that there was a huge lie based conspiracy in invading Iraq or that, as we are seeing more and more evdidence for that there were weapons and they were moved? Everytime you say use your head mike, it seems to be as a cop out to ignore facts and evidence. For you it seems "using you're head" translates to ignore anything you don't like and rule through bias. Also notice I say seems, appears, looks like, give the appearance of. Just to be clear before you call me a liar or call bullshit or say it's wrong.
DeleteIn light of your comment, Mike, tell us again what you think about Operation Fast and Furious? Was the most powerful politician in the world with the top advisors on the planet mistaken, or was it done with nefarious intent?
Delete"I did refer to the Seal Team 6 operation as "the murder of bin Laden." Yes, but that's still a long way from calling Obama a murderer, don't you think?"....NO....Mike it doesn't really matter what you call it...The POTUS ordered that us citizens who had not been charged with a crime to be killed not to mention at least five others who are considered collateral damage not on a battle field or during the commission of a crime but while eating a meal at a roadside cafe...He violated the constitution his oath of office and the rights of those killed by his order...I call him a murderer you call him a hero either way what he did is illegal and immoral and he should be charged along with the officers who failed to refuse an illegal order as they are bound to do by their oath
Delete"In light of your comment, Mike, tell us again what you think about Operation Fast and Furious?"
DeleteI doubt very seriously if Obama knew about that. He'd have to be quite a micro-manager to involve himself in every operation the ATF runs. So, your comparison to the bin Laden operation, which he very well may have been involved in, is a poor one.
GJ, tell me why we don't hear about that. Fox News devotes its entire programming to bashing Obama, but for some reason I never hear about those accusations. How do you explain that?
DeleteFox News devotes its entire programming to bashing Obama, but for some reason I never hear about those accusations. How do you explain that?
DeleteAh--yes. Fox News is nothing buy lying propaganda, but anything that they don't say should be dismissed as bullshit, because they would otherwise have said it.
"GJ, tell me why we don't hear about that. Fox News devotes its entire programming to bashing Obama, but for some reason I never hear about those accusations. How do you explain that?"......As MSNBC devotes its time to bashing anything conservative......Well Mike these things happened four years ago and as everyone is aware most people forget what they had for breakfast....As far as your fox news assertion there is one thing they love more than they do not like Obama and that is the killing of anyone even remotely associated with anyone thought to be engaged in terrorism...just look to John McCain and his constant beating of the warmonger drum that America must kill kill kill to understand Foxs position in my opinion and why they did not attack the POTUS for his crimes like you Mike assume they would...and now even you Mike want to send in the Marines to Kill and die for what...The continuation of the illusion that we live in a safe and peaceful world... Though Im happy see the Egyptians ,Jordanians,and even the Iranians taking an interest in the evil their fellow Muslims are perpetrating its sad that they are not so upset about the killing in general as they are the violation of Islamic law with the burning of people....either way The US should pull all assets from the region and leave them to kill each other....we can deal with it here as needed...And stop watching the so called news channels Mike they are rotting your brain..
DeleteMikeB: "So, your comparison to the bin Laden operation, which he very well may have been involved in, is a poor one."
DeleteYeah, that wasn't my best work. You raise a good counter. Obama is pleading ignorance in Fast and Furious as opposed to pleading bad intelligence. The comparison was to Bush and the intelligence on WMDs, not Obama's information on Bin Laden, though.
I still stand by evidence, while you are operating on conspiracy theories. What say you to that?
I guess SJ won't share those "stories" with us. No surprise.
DeleteWilson for signing the Fed Res Act...Hands down worst president
ReplyDeleteRednecks can and do hate Obama for his skin color, but it's a free country, and that's their right. The thing that's really eating them isn't just that there's a black president, it's that there will be more. The power of the white bigot in American politics is waning and the people screaming the loudest are doing so because they're being rendered irrelevant. Tough shit, Bubba.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't think white racism is limited to rednecks. I can tell you it's alive and well in New Jersey among white folks of many different persuasions.
DeleteIt seems you guys have no trouble judging people by the color of their skin if it is red.
DeleteDid you wonder just how racism would rear its ugly head against the first black President?
ReplyDeleteRacism is is not so overt these days. I didn't expect the Klan to march on the White House with their hoods on. I didn't expect racists to be calling the President of the United States a nigger. I didn't expect business owners to not admit him inside their businesses.
Racists are more backhanded these days. Questioning his birthright, in the face of clear evidence, that he is American born. Just a little slap, to let him know they don't think he is REALLY American, as they feel other blacks are not really American.
Claiming he is a Muslim, when that is totally untrue. Why? Could it be that Americans have a negative connotation of Muslims since 2001? Irregardless that a vast majority of Muslims in the World are peace loving people; a few bad people have hijacked that religion, and are nothing more than murdering terrorists.
We have a few religious terrorists in America who have hijacked the Christian religion for their evil purposes. I doubt most good Christians support those religious terrorists who bomb abortion clinics, or kill abortion doctors who are providing a LEGAL service.
I haven't counted, but I'll bet we have more dangerous religious crackpots in America, than any other Country on Earth.
Don't kid yourself, these are racists. They use different tactics in the 21st century.
Calling him Socialist, Communist, Hitler and every other name in the book, is just another way to try and define him as sub-human.
Since when, if a President wants to try and help the American people, does that make him anti-American.? That's what they say about him. They even concoct their bat shit theories about him being in some secret alliance with Arab States to tear down America.
Call these racists, racists!
Don't let them get away with some bullshit explanations like, "we are just asking legitimate questions." Bullshit!
Do you think the Right was any kinder to Bill Clinton? If they tried to impeach Obama for getting a BJ in the Oval Office, they'd be called "racists" for doing so, right?
DeleteOpen ID, I don't allow anonymous comments. I like what you had to say, but please give yourself a name next time.
DeleteI guess they would TS. By idiots like you who didn't get the point, which makes me wonder about your racial attitudes. The last one to know he is a racist, is a racist.
DeleteOpen ID, here's a breakdown on the "vast majority" Muslims being peace loving people. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg. Accusations of racism are a very handy tool when it comes to stifling good debate. It's easy to accuse, difficukt to prove and as we have seen in this blog impossible to disprove because nothing will get rid of the racial accusation. Calling him socialist/communist can be appropriate as that does appear to be the direction many of his policies lean. As far has the hitler comparison does the same rule apply when they reffered to bush as a nazi and compared him to hitler?. The "bat shit" theories as you call them come from his own actions and words, his own words say he will side with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. Calling the Islamic attack at fort hood "workplace violence" all of these things call his sympathies and positions into question. Are these legit tante concerns or are you just going to call me racist? And let's not forget the number of people who voted for him based on his skin color, saying its time we had a black president. Another good question is, how do you explain liberal opposition to Herman came, Allen West and Condoleeza Rice?
ReplyDeleteThanks for proving the point of my comment.
DeleteJohn, formerly open ID.
What has been proven?
DeleteBINGO!!!
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