KKK leader Robert Byrd, Lyndon "The niggers will be voting for us" Johnson, the Chapel Hill Shooter, the cop that went on a spree in California, bombers like Bill Ayers, etc. etc. etc.
This isn't a fight you want to get into. Neither side looks good if you try to make it answer for the fringes who align with it. And that doesn't even get into the fact that Byrd wasn't a fringe guy and the Westboro folks and others you want to tie to the Republicans hate them and won't associate with them.
And the Tea Party were motivated by fiscal issues, not race. Both that I went to had minorities present--one was organized by a black businessman, but I'm sure you'll do your best to redefine the movement or pick out a few examples of isolated racists showing up at them--never mind that Tea Party candidates have been more diverse than establishment Republicans.
Why are you so invested in smearing your opponents as being primarily motivated by race rather than arguing against their actual positions and philosophies? Is it laziness? Inability to wrap your brain around other people's viewpoints?
Your perennial excuse when you charge racism with no evidence. Funny thing is that is the type of answer racists have given me when at a loss to justify their statements.
"Why are you so invested in denying the racism?"
Do I detect a veiled hint that I'm a racist? If that's what you're saying, why don't you follow Sandra's example, and your own past one, and just out with the slander already.
Or, maybe there was no subtext at the moment and you have just ignored everything I said above and in other posts where we've discussed racism. In that case, the short form is this: People have problems with politicians for reasons other than race; when you try to ascribe racism to be their primary motivation that is wrong, stupid, cheapens the word racism, and signals that there is no chance for political dialog.
If you dislike gridlock and people not listening to what folks across the aisle are saying, hold up a mirror and look in it.
I agree that "People have problems with politicians for reasons other than race." However, I believe race plays a much bigger part than you seem willing to admit.
However, I believe race plays a much bigger part than you seem willing to admit.
I think it would be hard to deny that race plays an unfortunately prominent role in U.S. politics. Consider, after all, that African-American voting participation was hugely better in 2008 than ever before, with widespread acknowledgement that Obama's race (well, half of his racial heritage, anyway) was the primary reason. Of course, to vote for someone because he is black is also to vote against someone else, because he is white. That, folks, is racism in action.
The problem is that the Republicans aren't the fringe: they are the mainstream of the party. People have left the republican party based upon its movement to the extreme right.
The dirty little secret of the Democrat party is that there is a shit ton of racist bigoted idiots in the trade unions they hold hands with...Just one example of many projects on which I have worked, while working on the largest privately funded construction project up to that point 5000 workers a day at any given point, just a few years ago I was disturbed by the number of racial and bigoted slurs I heard coming out of mostly democrat union members mouths and that includes Whites,Blacks,Hispanics,Asians,Indians,Polynesians all saying things they should be fired and thrown out of their unions for.
Now I am not saying there are not plenty of racist idiots that identify as Republicans....but they certainly do not have the market cornered like the Democrats would have us believe........Just say no to the two party system
KKK leader Robert Byrd, Lyndon "The niggers will be voting for us" Johnson, the Chapel Hill Shooter, the cop that went on a spree in California, bombers like Bill Ayers, etc. etc. etc.
ReplyDeleteThis isn't a fight you want to get into. Neither side looks good if you try to make it answer for the fringes who align with it. And that doesn't even get into the fact that Byrd wasn't a fringe guy and the Westboro folks and others you want to tie to the Republicans hate them and won't associate with them.
The Tea Party is a bit more than a fringe. They make up a major part of the Republican base.
DeleteAnd the Tea Party were motivated by fiscal issues, not race. Both that I went to had minorities present--one was organized by a black businessman, but I'm sure you'll do your best to redefine the movement or pick out a few examples of isolated racists showing up at them--never mind that Tea Party candidates have been more diverse than establishment Republicans.
DeleteWhy are you so invested in smearing your opponents as being primarily motivated by race rather than arguing against their actual positions and philosophies? Is it laziness? Inability to wrap your brain around other people's viewpoints?
Ah, because they are racist! The fact you can't see that tells us about your racial attitudes SJ.
DeleteSJ, I calls 'em likes I sees 'em. Why are you so invested in denying the racism?
Delete"I calls 'em likes I sees 'em."
DeleteYour perennial excuse when you charge racism with no evidence. Funny thing is that is the type of answer racists have given me when at a loss to justify their statements.
"Why are you so invested in denying the racism?"
Do I detect a veiled hint that I'm a racist? If that's what you're saying, why don't you follow Sandra's example, and your own past one, and just out with the slander already.
Or, maybe there was no subtext at the moment and you have just ignored everything I said above and in other posts where we've discussed racism. In that case, the short form is this: People have problems with politicians for reasons other than race; when you try to ascribe racism to be their primary motivation that is wrong, stupid, cheapens the word racism, and signals that there is no chance for political dialog.
If you dislike gridlock and people not listening to what folks across the aisle are saying, hold up a mirror and look in it.
I agree that "People have problems with politicians for reasons other than race." However, I believe race plays a much bigger part than you seem willing to admit.
DeleteHowever, I believe race plays a much bigger part than you seem willing to admit.
DeleteI think it would be hard to deny that race plays an unfortunately prominent role in U.S. politics. Consider, after all, that African-American voting participation was hugely better in 2008 than ever before, with widespread acknowledgement that Obama's race (well, half of his racial heritage, anyway) was the primary reason. Of course, to vote for someone because he is black is also to vote against someone else, because he is white. That, folks, is racism in action.
The problem is that the Republicans aren't the fringe: they are the mainstream of the party. People have left the republican party based upon its movement to the extreme right.
ReplyDeleteThe dirty little secret of the Democrat party is that there is a shit ton of racist bigoted idiots in the trade unions they hold hands with...Just one example of many projects on which I have worked, while working on the largest privately funded construction project up to that point 5000 workers a day at any given point, just a few years ago I was disturbed by the number of racial and bigoted slurs I heard coming out of mostly democrat union members mouths and that includes Whites,Blacks,Hispanics,Asians,Indians,Polynesians all saying things they should be fired and thrown out of their unions for.
ReplyDeleteNow I am not saying there are not plenty of racist idiots that identify as Republicans....but they certainly do not have the market cornered like the Democrats would have us believe........Just say no to the two party system
YES, they do.
ReplyDeleteLike Nugent, the racist leader of these gun loons.
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