Just another example of how laws don't stop anyone from doing wrong. Mike believes they do, and when they don't he denies it and call for more laws that don't work to stop a criminal bent on breaking the law. He just wants to make laws that make offenses more illegal.
So Mike, did any law prevent this crime? What law would have?
Sammy, your another idiot that keeps saying that I said we don't need laws. I have never said that. The law provides for punishment and is SUPPOSED to provide a deterrent to prevent law breaking. The punishment is NOT great enough therefore next to NO DETERRENT!! So the laws don't work!
"Just another example of how laws don't stop anyone from doing wrong." Gunny you are just another criminal thinking idiot who claims no law is better than any law, which is what you just said. We have life imprisonment and the death penalty, just what more penalty do you suggest. Learn English and maybe you can express your ideas without saying what you claim you are not saying.
Really, you can actually cite the number of "prevented incidents" like this Mike? You know, we can count with certainty how many incidents the law didn't prevent here in the U.S. which are "common place" according to you.
Can you equally count, with certainty, how many the England and Australian law prevented? Really? Please do demonstrate this ability.
"gun loons want us to accept a guessed number how many guns are used in defense."
The gun control lobby also uses many numbers that would fall under your definition of being "guessed". Most defensive gun use figures come prom surveys. The same kind of survey which gun control advocates used to come up with the "guessed" 40% "gun show loophole" figure for example. How is one guess more, or less credible than the other?
"SS, how is a dead body with bullet hole(s) a guess on how they died? "
I have no idea how your comment relates to my comment regarding the accuracy issues of statistics about defensive gun uses or the "gun show loophole" Can you clarify please?
Because a guess on how many defensive uses a gun is used for does not equal the certainty that a person died from gun shot. Since I said the same above, your question is one of dishonest evasion. YOU changed the issue, not me. OMG Gunny agrees with me, Hell must be freezing over.
"Weapons are banned at the mall, whose code of conduct specifically prohibits "Carrying or displaying weapons of any kind except those carried by certified law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties."
"Four on-duty police officers have been stationed in the mall on Friday and Saturday evenings at the mall's request, Monroeville Mayor Gregory Erosenko said. "I would have thought that having four officers there would have deterred any incident like we saw (Saturday)," he told the newspaper."
The Monroeville Mall went on lockdown Saturday evening after the shooting. The gunman managed to escape but police say they were able to identify him by matching surveillance video with images on social media.
"The suspect, Tarod Thornhill, was arrested at a home in Brackenridge about 3:15 a.m. Sunday. Thornhill is charged as an adult with aggravated assault, attempted homicide, and recklessly endangering other people, the Allegheny County Police Department said in a press release Sunday morning."
"As part of its response to a shooting by a 17-year-old that left three injured last weekend, the Monroeville Mall in Western Pennsylvania will card and eject teens without an adult with them on weekend nights. The 170-acre gun free zone outside of Pittsburgh plans to institute a Youth Escort Policy effective Feb. 27 that will not permit unsupervised shoppers under the age of 18 to congregate in the mall parking lot or enter the facility after 6 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights. Adults age 21 and over may escort their children, or up to three teens, and there are exceptions for minors who have jobs in the mall’s 125 businesses."
"According to reports from WTAE, Thornhill had a previous criminal history and often posted images of him posing with weapons to his social media account. He is currently being held under a $200,000 bond and is charged as an adult for attempted murder, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault. In addition to carrying a handgun illegally at the time, Thornhill was in violation of the Monroeville Mall’s strict policy against allowing weapons of any kind on site with exceptions made only for certified law enforcement. Just weeks prior to last weekend’s shooting, a massive brawl in which security staff estimate as many as 1,000 teens and adults participated, garnered national headlines as video of that incident went viral. As in the case of the shooting last weekend, the December brawl occurred on a weekend night."
So far, we don't know where he got the gun from, though he hasn't seemed to have a problem getting hold of them when he wants,
"At the time of the shooting, Thornhill had a warrant out for his arrest for leaving a reform program for delinquent juveniles in December. Russ Carlino, head of the Allegheny County juvenile probation office, confirmed Tuesday that Thornhill has two delinquent adjudications for illegally possessing a gun — the juvenile equivalent of convictions. After the second adjudication, in July 2014, Thornhill spent time in a residential facility for offenders, and after his release in December, he was placed in a court-ordered Community Intensive Supervision Program, or CISP. The program has offenders such as Thornhill attend programs during the day before sending them home at night. Thornhill was on electronic monitoring, Carlino said. “Shortly after his commitment to CISP, he went AWOL,” Carlino said. He said Thornhill may have cut off his ankle bracelet before fleeing. Both of Thornhill's cases were gun possession, not shooting cases, he said. "
"So far, we don't know where he got the gun from, though he hasn't seemed to have a problem getting hold of them when he wants," To me, that's the problem SS. And I don't think efforts (background checks, registration, etc.) are an infringement on a persons right to own a gun, but could help police track and stop illegal guns from getting into the hands of those who shouldn't have them. And no, no law is going to stop all crime. And yes, I have a problem with those who resist those efforts and claim there rights are being infringed on.
loose gun laws
ReplyDeleteActually, I'm almost positive that shooting up malls is illegal even in Pennsylvania.
Just another example of how laws don't stop anyone from doing wrong. Mike believes they do, and when they don't he denies it and call for more laws that don't work to stop a criminal bent on breaking the law. He just wants to make laws that make offenses more illegal.
DeleteSo Mike, did any law prevent this crime? What law would have?
Without laws how would we prosecute, or punish people who commit these dastardly acts? I guess you think they should just go free.
DeleteThe laws they have in England and Australia have pretty-much prevented incidents like this which are commonplace in the US.
DeleteSammy, your another idiot that keeps saying that I said we don't need laws. I have never said that. The law provides for punishment and is SUPPOSED to provide a deterrent to prevent law breaking. The punishment is NOT great enough therefore next to NO DETERRENT!! So the laws don't work!
Delete"Just another example of how laws don't stop anyone from doing wrong."
DeleteGunny you are just another criminal thinking idiot who claims no law is better than any law, which is what you just said. We have life imprisonment and the death penalty, just what more penalty do you suggest. Learn English and maybe you can express your ideas without saying what you claim you are not saying.
Really, you can actually cite the number of "prevented incidents" like this Mike? You know, we can count with certainty how many incidents the law didn't prevent here in the U.S. which are "common place" according to you.
DeleteCan you equally count, with certainty, how many the England and Australian law prevented? Really? Please do demonstrate this ability.
We can count for certainty how many are dead from gun shot, yet, gun loons want us to accept a guessed number how many guns are used in defense.
Delete"gun loons want us to accept a guessed number how many guns are used in defense."
DeleteThe gun control lobby also uses many numbers that would fall under your definition of being "guessed". Most defensive gun use figures come prom surveys. The same kind of survey which gun control advocates used to come up with the "guessed" 40% "gun show loophole" figure for example.
How is one guess more, or less credible than the other?
Sammy, you just made my point. Thank you!
Delete"Really, you can actually cite the number of "prevented incidents" like this Mike?"
DeleteWhere did I say I could cite the number of prevented incidents? Nowhere. This is an example of your lying by inference. Kurt does that all the time.
Besides, everyone knows there's no way to prove a negative. But a little common sense and honesty would suffice to answer these types of questions.
SS, how is a dead body with bullet hole(s) a guess on how they died?
Delete"SS, how is a dead body with bullet hole(s) a guess on how they died? "
DeleteI have no idea how your comment relates to my comment regarding the accuracy issues of statistics about defensive gun uses or the "gun show loophole" Can you clarify please?
Because a guess on how many defensive uses a gun is used for does not equal the certainty that a person died from gun shot. Since I said the same above, your question is one of dishonest evasion. YOU changed the issue, not me.
DeleteOMG Gunny agrees with me, Hell must be freezing over.
"Weapons are banned at the mall, whose code of conduct specifically prohibits "Carrying or displaying weapons of any kind except those carried by certified law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties."
ReplyDelete"Four on-duty police officers have been stationed in the mall on Friday and Saturday evenings at the mall's request, Monroeville Mayor Gregory Erosenko said.
"I would have thought that having four officers there would have deterred any incident like we saw (Saturday)," he told the newspaper."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/08/3-people-shot-at-pittsburgh-area-mall/
I bet they had a sign and everything.
The Monroeville Mall went on lockdown Saturday evening after the shooting. The gunman managed to escape but police say they were able to identify him by matching surveillance video with images on social media.
"The suspect, Tarod Thornhill, was arrested at a home in Brackenridge about 3:15 a.m. Sunday.
Thornhill is charged as an adult with aggravated assault, attempted homicide, and recklessly endangering other people, the Allegheny County Police Department said in a press release Sunday morning."
Fast work by the police too.
Follow up would be nice. Who is the guy and where and how did he get the gun he used.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure this will fix things.....
ReplyDelete"As part of its response to a shooting by a 17-year-old that left three injured last weekend, the Monroeville Mall in Western Pennsylvania will card and eject teens without an adult with them on weekend nights.
The 170-acre gun free zone outside of Pittsburgh plans to institute a Youth Escort Policy effective Feb. 27 that will not permit unsupervised shoppers under the age of 18 to congregate in the mall parking lot or enter the facility after 6 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights. Adults age 21 and over may escort their children, or up to three teens, and there are exceptions for minors who have jobs in the mall’s 125 businesses."
"According to reports from WTAE, Thornhill had a previous criminal history and often posted images of him posing with weapons to his social media account. He is currently being held under a $200,000 bond and is charged as an adult for attempted murder, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.
In addition to carrying a handgun illegally at the time, Thornhill was in violation of the Monroeville Mall’s strict policy against allowing weapons of any kind on site with exceptions made only for certified law enforcement.
Just weeks prior to last weekend’s shooting, a massive brawl in which security staff estimate as many as 1,000 teens and adults participated, garnered national headlines as video of that incident went viral. As in the case of the shooting last weekend, the December brawl occurred on a weekend night."
http://www.guns.com/2015/02/10/after-shooting-historic-mall-plans-to-bar-unaccompanied-teens-video/
What would fix things is if he never got a hold of a gun in the first place. So how did he and how could he have been prevented from getting one?
DeleteHopefully we'll find out as time goes by. Most of the evidence against him seems to be self inflicted.
Delete"prevented from getting one"
DeleteIt's that last part pro gun people seem to have a problem with citing infringement on the 2nd A as a reason not to try.
"prevented from getting one"
DeleteSo far, we don't know where he got the gun from, though he hasn't seemed to have a problem getting hold of them when he wants,
"At the time of the shooting, Thornhill had a warrant out for his arrest for leaving a reform program for delinquent juveniles in December.
Russ Carlino, head of the Allegheny County juvenile probation office, confirmed Tuesday that Thornhill has two delinquent adjudications for illegally possessing a gun — the juvenile equivalent of convictions.
After the second adjudication, in July 2014, Thornhill spent time in a residential facility for offenders, and after his release in December, he was placed in a court-ordered Community Intensive Supervision Program, or CISP. The program has offenders such as Thornhill attend programs during the day before sending them home at night. Thornhill was on electronic monitoring, Carlino said.
“Shortly after his commitment to CISP, he went AWOL,” Carlino said. He said Thornhill may have cut off his ankle bracelet before fleeing. Both of Thornhill's cases were gun possession, not shooting cases, he said. "
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/7748159-74/thornhill-police-jones#axzz3RTiyl5A6
"So far, we don't know where he got the gun from, though he hasn't seemed to have a problem getting hold of them when he wants,"
DeleteTo me, that's the problem SS. And I don't think efforts (background checks, registration, etc.) are an infringement on a persons right to own a gun, but could help police track and stop illegal guns from getting into the hands of those who shouldn't have them. And no, no law is going to stop all crime. And yes, I have a problem with those who resist those efforts and claim there rights are being infringed on.