Thursday, September 10, 2015
Raul Rodriguez, Dangerous Concealed Carry Permit Holder, Gets a New Trial
Legal Insurrection
To summarize: beginning in the early evening hours of May 1, 2010, retired fire fighter Raul Rodriguez grew increasingly angry with a loud party being held down the street by eventual victim Kelly Danaher, who was throwing a birthday party for his wife.
By the early morning hours of May 2, 2010, Rodriguez decided to strap on his pistol (which he was licensed to carry concealed), at least one spare magazine, and bring a flashlight and a means to video record to stand across the street from the party. He then proceeded to simultaneously call 911, shine the flashlight repeatedly at the party, and record events. Eventually he attracted the attention of the party goers, who came over to speak with him, and events proceeded rapidly downhill from there, culminating in Rodriguez shooting and killing Danaher.
From my perspective perhaps the most striking part of this encounter is how badly astray Rodriguez is led by his remarkably defective understanding of self-defense law. His self-recording of his repetitive announcements of “I am in fear for my life” and “I’m standing my ground” suggests he feels the mere words alone bestow some magical legal protection or authority at best, or that he was attempting to fabricate a faux self-defense claim at worst.
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There is no such thing as a dangerous lawful gun owner.
ReplyDeleteWhaaat?
Deleteya thats not me..just one of your minions having fun with ya Mike
DeleteBased on your fetish of following the very few cases of concealed carriers committing a crime....I get the impression you don't much like CC......
ReplyDelete"The very few?" I spend no more than a few minutes a day to uncover these "few" stories.
DeleteEase of Google does not equate statistical evidence in your favor. Compare the rates of criminal activity with a firearm, by a CC...versus any other category, then get back to me.
DeleteI can likewise uncover stories every day [within minutes], of defensive uses of firearms. Why don't you post those accounts?
Actually, using Google you lose big time. There are twenty (or so) times more stories of gun misuse than DGUs. I agree it's not proof, but it sure is indicative.
DeleteWait..you mean our vaunted media [rife with gun control supporters] doesn't post as many stories of DGUs? Shocking. I'd be happy to provide you these events as often as you care for, then we could certainly see how they stack up against reporting of misuse by CC-ers.
DeleteIn other words, my stories from the media don't count but yours do?
DeleteQuit trying to project your narrative on what I've said.
DeleteQuit trying to say he didn't make his point just because you deny his proof isn't real.
DeleteSo after spending around three years in prison, Mr. Rodriquez get a new trial. And he might be convicted yet again. And he even provided a good amount of the evidence used against him.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, in case you missed it, is that many concealed carry guys are like poor Raul, frightened, contentious, paranoid, insecure and with a poor understainding of what stand your ground and castle doctrine really mean.
DeleteWell, he certainly became a good object lesson in what it isn't.
DeleteIt appears time and again, that we have a better understanding than the media and the gun control cabal. Case in point, Trayvon Martin.
DeleteMikeB: "...with a poor understainding of what stand your ground and castle doctrine really mean."
DeleteRight. So maybe you guys should start being more honest about what it really means then. I never hear you guys talk about Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, Avoidance, and Reasonableness. Instead you make it sound like all you need to do is utter the magic words "I felt in fear of my life", which is actually what this guys seemed to be following.
So it OUR fault that so many of you gun fanatics don't understand SYG?
DeleteYou outdid yourself with that one, TS.
I believe the vast majority of "gun fanatics" are wise enough to not believe a word you guys say. What's clear is that the only proper information about self defense law comes from people who support armed self-defense and gun rights. Legal Insurrection (the link you provided) is a great example, as well as the talks from Massad Ayoob. There is absolutely nothing like that from gun control people- instead we are fed gross misinformation. I have not once seen a gun control person utter the words "Innocence, Imminence, Proportionality, Avoidance, Reasonableness". You could be the first, Mike. Why don't you give us a little talk on what those five words mean as it relates to self-defense law? I am quite confident you won't do it. Heaven forbid you say anything that makes SYG sound reasonable.
DeleteLook, we should have common ground here. If you feel too many people have a bad understanding of what SYG does and does not protect, why not do a post on it?
DeleteHow do you figure it's the gun rights side who doesn't understand Stand Your Ground? If you had evidence to that effect, you would have posted it. Telling.
Delete"why not do a post on it?"
DeleteYou're outdoing yourself with dumb questions on this thread. How many times do I have to post on it for you to realize I've posted on it?
Ugg. Read what I asked again, Mike. I did not ask you to make a post of an example of someone with a bad misunderstanding of SYG. I said do a post on the proper meaning of SYG. What does it protect, what doesn't it protect. Show us that your understanding is good, while also working to spread good information, specifically highlighting what actions it doesn't protect in an effort to reduce cases of misunderstanding the law.
DeleteSo far I'm winning my bet that you'll refuse to do this.
TS, by posting examples of gun owners who don't get it, opening up a dialogue on the subject, isn't what you're calling for accomplished? I think so.
DeleteFair enough. Leave it up to your readers to get the good information from the gun rights supporters in the comments section. That's standard operating procedure for this blog anyway.
DeleteThe only way these kill crazy gun loons can get around facts, is to deny them. Keep posting the facts!
DeleteTS, It's not the comments by you gun rights fanatics that make the difference, it's mine and the others who oppose what you say. We're the ones calling for safe storage and proper gun handling. All you do is argue against anything we say including the call for better laws even if they make sense.
DeleteThis is the kind of deadly gun loon your gun loons say doesn't exist.
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