Saturday, December 11, 2010

Guns in Ohio Bars

You couldn't very well expect a fair answer from gun owners who want to expand their rights at any cost, but from bar people you can.

Bill Jamison, owner of Froggy Blues Cafe in Monroe, said he believes in a person’s right to carry a firearm — just not inside establishments like his.

Jamison said he opposes a bill in the Ohio House that would allow concealed guns inside bars and restaurants.
Simply put, he said, alcohol and guns “don’t go well together.”

“It would be a nightmare for us,” Jamison said referring to his business. “What happens when it’s (the gun) pulled?

“I’d lose all my business. All the people who come here, they won’t come to the bar ever again ... and I wouldn’t blame them.”

Elizabeth Allen has been a bartender for five years at Buck’s Sports Bar on Central Avenue in Middletown and can verify that when alcohol is involved and tempers flare, people can act violently. She said she’s seen her share of bar fights and even recalls a shootout not too far away from the bar a few years ago.

The bar doesn’t even use glass beer mugs — opting for plastic instead — because glass shards could be used as a weapon. So she doesn’t understand why anyone would want to allow guns to be brought into the mix.

“They took out smoking because they were afraid that would kill people and now they want to bring guns into a bar? What is up with that?” Allen said.
What do you think? Who has a more valid opinion on this issue, gun-rights people or bar people?

Please leave a comment.

13 comments:

  1. The article fails to mention that all the business owner has to do is post a "No Guns Allowed" sign at the door and the problem is voided.

    I wonder why they left that part out?

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  2. Good point kaveman. It really should be No Weapons Allowed. I was actually at a bar one time when some stupid fuck got out his gun just to show it to his friends like a toy. Management 86ed that joker in a big hurry.

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  3. Of course the article fails to mention that carrying in a bar would still be illegal. The bill would only allow you to carry in a restaurant that makes most of its gross proceeds from the sale of food. You cannot even enter the bar area of such a restaurant nor are you permitted to drink while carrying.

    But then the truth was never an issue those that complain that gun bans are called bans to sensationalize the ban but saying these bills are about guns in bars when that is blatantly false is okay.

    The gun control people must hate it that they never have the truth on their side and have to instead rely on emotions and fabrications.

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  4. So what's the point of carrying a gun into a family restaurant?

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  5. "So what's the point of carrying a gun into a family restaurant?"

    Luby's Cafeteria

    A concealed handgun is not carried because you are going someplace you expect trouble--those places you avoid. Concealed handguns are carried because of what you are not expecting to encounter.

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  6. Flying Junior,

    Perhaps the point is people have been robbed coming out from Family restaurants.

    Seems those nice criminals don't respect people's rights.

    Perhaps the point is women have been raped leaving work at one of those family restaurants.

    Seems those nice criminals don't wait until people can arm themselves after work.

    Perhaps the point is that people leave those family restaurants and go other places -- why should they be disarmed because they wanted to have dinner.

    Seems those nice criminals don't ask for an itinerary before robbing, raping or assaulting people.

    Perhaps the point is that people shouldn't be denied -by law - the exercise of a right that shall not be infringed.

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  7. Even if criminals never visited that family restaurant with their families, or even tried to hold it up, or waited outside it to mug you and rape your wife, there's still the issue of going to and from the restaurant, or even wherever else you may have been for the day. Besides, would you rather have a CCW permit holder forced to take his gun off in the parking lot and risk an ND, and then leave it in the car where it might get stolen and dumped into the infamous "iron pipeline" you guys are all worked up about? There's no more safe and secure spot for my gun than untouched in its holster on my hip under my shirt.

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  8. "So what's the point of carrying a gun into a family restaurant?"

    If crime and violence was predictable, we could all avoid the place to begin with and have the cops lying in wait.

    Sadly, this is not the case.

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  9. Colin said, "There's no more safe and secure spot for my gun than untouched in its holster on my hip under my shirt."

    Is that so? How about at home in your gun safe? Or better yet, at the gun shop because you decided never to buy it?

    FWM, you crack me up. Your citation of Luby's gun rampage reminds me of your posting about Pearl Harbor and proclaiming that we should never forget.

    About kaveman's point that a simple "no guns allowed" sign is all it takes to combat this bad policy, why then are those bar people in the article so against it?

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  10. "why then are those bar people in the article so against it?"

    My guess would be that they have never bothered to read the legislation and are unaware of the signage solution.

    Just like you.

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  11. "FWM, you crack me up. Your citation of Luby's gun rampage reminds me of your posting about Pearl Harbor and proclaiming that we should never forget."

    What is so funny about the death of 24 innocent people at a restaurant or a sneak attack on our Nation?

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  12. MikeB: “Or better yet, at the gun shop because you decided never to buy it?”

    So that somebody irresponsible can buy it? I thought you have been saying we are not the problem ones- it's those 10%ers?

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  13. FWM, What's so funny is the way you take it so seriously while at the same time dismissing the "anectdotal" examples I produce day in and day out.

    If the deaths support your jingoistic rah-rah brand of patriotism, they're serious. If they support the need for better gun control, they're silly and perhaps even acceptable.

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