Oh look, more gun violence from a legal gun. Presumably you cannot get more legal than a cop's own gun. I'm doubting that the girl friend or this cops family is thinking much about 2nd Amendment Rights making their world safer and more free as their priority in thinking about guns. What do you think?
From aol news:
Philip Chlanda Dead: NYPD Cop Commits Suicide On Street
First Posted: 05/17/11 02:34 PM ET Updated: 05/17/11 02:34 PM ET
An NYPD officer shot and killed himself on a Murray Hill street on Tuesday morning.
The cop, Philip Chlanda, was upset over the prospect of his girlfriend leaving him, so he shot himself in the head in front of her, police told The New York Post.
Chlanda got into an argument with his girlfriend inside their third-story apartment in Murray Hill, authorities said. His girlfriend, whose identity has not been released, told Chlanda she was going to leave him, police said.
From the Post:
That's when the cop left the apartment and went to his squad car parked in front of 138 East 38th Street and pulled out his 9mm, police said.
With his girlfriend looking on, the cop said, "I love you" to her before he pulled the trigger and shot himself. The woman called 911 at 3:20 a.m., police said.
Chlanda was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
Chlanda got into an argument with his girlfriend inside their third-story apartment in Murray Hill, authorities said. His girlfriend, whose identity has not been released, told Chlanda she was going to leave him, police said.
From the Post:
That's when the cop left the apartment and went to his squad car parked in front of 138 East 38th Street and pulled out his 9mm, police said.
With his girlfriend looking on, the cop said, "I love you" to her before he pulled the trigger and shot himself. The woman called 911 at 3:20 a.m., police said.
Chlanda was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
It just goes to show that gun control doesn't work. Here you have the most gun control possible (a gun in the hand of a vetted and trained police officer) and he still blows his brains out.
ReplyDeleteYet this is who you would let decide who gets to be armed?
ReplyDeleteUnder many state statutes, it is the police that have access to the information about who is a criminal, so to that extent - YES, they should be the ones who decide who owns a gun legally and who does not. That is law enforcement as a whole. Given their higher than average stress levels on the job.
ReplyDeleteIn many other countries, police do not automatically carry guns. Perhaps before we let ours do so, they should have a routine annual psychological exam to be sure they are still good choices to be doing so.
The story proves that guns are weapons which are dangerous and which hurt people. There are lower rates of suicides from guns in countries with fewer guns - including police suicides.
Again not one bit of concern about the mental health of the poor police officer that thought that killing himself over a piece of trim was the right course of action.....
ReplyDeleteYou gun control tards are pathetic.....
"dumbass morality said...
ReplyDeleteAgain not one bit of concern about the mental health of the poor police officer that thought that killing himself over a piece of trim was the right course of action.....
You gun control tards are pathetic....."
I believe I expressed concern about anyone who is a victim of gun violence, whether shot by someone else, OR self-inflicted.
Your lack of respect for others is dripping in phrases like "piece of trim" or referring to people as 'tards'.
How mysoginistic are you? I would say you write like you were some sort of neanderthal, but that would insuld neanderthals who appear to actually have been very compassionate and intelligent.
"There are lower rates of suicides from guns in countries with fewer guns - including police suicides."
ReplyDeleteFalse.
AztecRed says "false," I guess that's that. If pressed, I know he can come up with some taylor-made cherry pickings to back up his biased belief.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is guns are a very effective means to kill others and oneself. Removal of that means, cuts down on the deaths. You don't need higher math or super-surveys to see that - unless you're biased into blindness.
Dog gone: "There are lower rates of suicides from guns in countries with fewer guns - including police suicides."
ReplyDeleteAztecRed, I expect that her statement is true because she said “suicides from guns”. A true statement perhaps, yet meaningless when you realize that the United States overall suicide rate (11/100,000) is well below the global average (16).
How is that for cherry picking, Mike? I used the whole world.
Well done TS; now compare and contrast suicide rates for similarly western industrialized countries only. I think you will find that we are not so low if you compare us with those countries most like us except for gun availability.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course, tragically, when you get to the rates of suicides, particularly involving guns, for those in or recent veterans of our militiary those numbers go WAY up for suicides with guns.
Not cherrypicking at all; rather pointing out that reducing the prevalence of guns would reduce suicides using guns as part of reducing all gun violence.
Dog gone: “Well done TS; now compare and contrast suicide rates for similarly western industrialized countries only. I think you will find that we are not so low if you compare us with those countries most like us except for gun availability.”
ReplyDeleteOk, lets go. Here is my source- from the world health organization:
http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-statistics.html
Now here are ones I pulled out as ones that I think will meet your vague definition of “countries like us”. Mostly western and central Europe, but if you want to add or remove some of these because you don’t feel they are “like us”, then be my guest. We’ll recalculate based on whatever ones you want to pick.
Hungary 27.7
Japan 24
South Korea 23
Belgium 21
Finland 20
Hong Kong 18.6
France 18
Switzerland 17.4
Austria 16.9
Poland 15.9
Czech Rep 15.5
Luxembourg 14.6
Denmark 13.6
Slovakia 13.3
Sweden 13.2
Germany 13
Romania 12.5
Iceland 12
New Zealand 11.9
Canada 11.6
Norway 11.5
Portugal 11
Australia 10.8
Ireland 9.7
Netherlands 9.3
Spain 8.2
Italy 7.1
UK 7
Greece 3.2
That is an average of 14.2. Ours is 11.
Dog gone: “Not cherrypicking at all; rather pointing out that reducing the prevalence of guns would reduce suicides using guns as part of reducing all gun violence.”
I don’t care about that. I only care that they died.
Great job TS. I also care that they died, btw.
ReplyDeleteOf the countries you listed, I pick these as most like us (in no particular order):
UK 7
New Zealand 11.9
Canada 11.6
Australia 10.8
Ireland 9.7
Netherlands 9.3
Belgium 21
Luxembourg 14.6
I'm quite surprised that Belgium is so high compared to the other BeNeLux countries, and even a bit surprised at Luxembourg btw.
However I believe you will find that we are very like Canada, Australia and New Zealand in gun availability, which would track with the statistical similarity. While the UK and Ireland are much more strict. I would have expected Belgium and Luxembourg to be much closer to the Netherlands, and need to take a closer look at their gun availability.
I leave it to MikeB to comment, from his own experience, on the the other countries in Europe, say, Italy, Greece, and Spain for example for comparative gun availability in contrast to the U.S.
But thank you again TS for adding an exceptionally substantive comment to this discussion. Well done sir - you have a standing ovation from me for you, in front of my monitor!
Sorry everybody, I don't believe you can compare the US to other countries. That's like comparing apples and oranges.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately that leaves us in a position in which we have to use some logic and reason. The only valid comparison would be the US with guns and the US without guns. Since that's not gonna happen we need to think about it.
The defenders-of-the-gun say if people didn't have guns they'd kill themselves in exactly the same numbers. I don't believe that, and I don't believe those who say tt believe it either. They're just being contentious in that tedious way they have.
Dog gone: “However I believe you will find that we are very like Canada, Australia and New Zealand in gun availability, which would track with the statistical similarity.”
ReplyDeleteThe USA is unique in its gun culture and quantity/availability of guns. That is what the gun control side keeps telling us and why we are so screwed up. Besides, Australia is much closer to the UK than to us.
Dog gone: “Well done sir - you have a standing ovation from me for you, in front of my monitor!”
Thank you so much. Encore to come.
MikeB: “Sorry everybody, I don't believe you can compare the US to other countries. That's like comparing apples and oranges.”
So we are not going to see any more “look at the low gun deaths in Europe” type of comments from you anymore? I am going to hold you to this quote, Mike. You will see me reference it in the future.
C'mon TS, it's my blog, I can have my cake and eat it too.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, have I really done that? Have I used Europe to prove what would work in the US? Don't bother to look for examples, if I did that I'll try not to repeat it. I don't think it's a valid comparison.
Now that you've got me thinking about it, I can remember many times when I said it's NOT a fair comparison. I've said that about the English supposed increase in violent crime and about the Japanese suicide rate.
If I've deviated from this approach in the past, I'll try to be more careful about it.
Well you did just say this:
ReplyDeleteMikeB (5/6/2011): “The Netherlands proves that gun control works.”
Though you did follow it up with: “You're right I can't take the Netherlands intelf as "proof" any more than you could take one single place to prove your position.”
I probably will end up using your quote against Jadegold far more often than you.
By the way, I don’t use single places to prove my position, I use *everywhere* to disprove yours. Sometimes single places work for disproving as well- but not for proving anything.
OK, no more single places to prove the general point.
ReplyDeleteHowever, when one of your gun-rights friends says there has never ever been a single place where gun control worked, then I can use it. Fair enough?