Monday, January 13, 2014

India Makes Gun for Women as Defense Against Rape

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(Made by ordnance factory, Nirbheek weighs 500 grams and can fit into a purse.)

The Times of India reports

Giving more power to women to defend themselves and as a tribute to December 2012 gangrape victim Nirbhaya, the Indian Ordnance Factory, Kanpur, has manufactured Nirbheek, a .32 bore light weight revolver, India's first firearm designed for women. At 500 grams, it is also the first IOF handgun made of titanium alloy.

Time World says:


An Indian gun manufacturer has made its first gun intended to help women defend themselves against sexual violence.
The lightweight titanium alloy revolver is designed to fit easily in a handbag and was named in tribute to Nirbhaya, the pseudonym of a 23-year-old victim of a 2012 brutal gang rape that took place on a bus, reports the Times of India.
The gun was released on Jan. 6, and has received 20 orders. It is priced at 122,360 rupees, or around $2,000. Reports of sexual assault rose 6.4% in 2012 from the previous year, but some incidences are due to increased reporting, police say.

Now that's a helluva humanitarian effort to help the poor women of India, a gun priced at $2,000.

I guess gun manufacturers are the same all over, greedy bastards who pretend their product will help people.

24 comments:

  1. It's an apparent copy of a Webley, and a .32 isn't the best choice, but something is better than nothing. Here in America, fortunately, we have better choices at a much lower cost.

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    1. So your only advice to a woman who might be rapped is to get a gun? I didn't hear any suggestion of stopping rapists with the law. I know you don't believe in the law. That's obvious from your past comments and the overwhelming conclusion by the readers of this site that you are a lying criminal coward.

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    2. False. I actually support the death penalty for rapists. But I'd also like women to have the ability to prevent a rape from happening in the first place.

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    3. A gun won't prevent a rape in the first place.

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    4. You'll have to get the male culture to take rape as a serious crime. The way to do that is give out stiffer penalties.

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    5. I agree with stiffer penalties, but a firearm is a good argument against someone who doesn't take no for an answer.

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    6. Don't read you pushing for stiffer fines, I always read you pushing for more guns and access to guns. Guns are not the answer, and wouldn't it be nice if people did not need a gun just to walk in public.

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    7. Fines? Rape deserves a much more serious punishment than a fine. But read my comment above. I'd like to see the death penalty applied to rapists. And I like the fact that Americans in most states can carry firearms legally, so long as they aren't felons or the like.

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    8. You can be pro gun all you want, but guns don't solve the problem.

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    9. Fortunately, they do for a lot of Americans--several hundred thousand at least, if the National Academies of Science is to be believed.

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    10. Arming women is not the answer to rape. The very few rapes that would be prevented would be offset by all the gun misuse that would inevitably come with the additional guns. Some would be stolen, there'd be negligent discharges, some fatal, there'd be mistaken killings of men suspected of intending rape. And on and on.

      No, as always, guns cause more problems than the prevent.

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    11. Mike, this is not an honest effort to arm women. Its a PR stunt to try to convince the public that the government is doing something about the problem. They didn't design the pistol just for them, they were already producing a .32 revolver and just put it in a pretty box.

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    12. Greg,

      "Fortunately, they do for a lot of Americans--several hundred thousand at least"
      What the hell are you talking about?

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    13. According to the National Academies of Science report that we've discussed here many times, at least several hundred thousand Americans defend themselves with a firearm every year.

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    14. No proof? No URL? Just another lie you pulled out of your ass. I have never discussed this with you before, another lie.

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    15. "No proof? No URL? Just another lie you pulled out of your ass."

      Sounds like Greg is starting to rub off on you a bit Anon. *grin*

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    16. Just applying his childish dishonest cowardly stance.

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  2. "I guess gun manufacturers are the same all over, greedy bastards who pretend their product will help people."

    "Ordnance Factories Board (OFB), consisting of the Indian Ordnance Factories (Hindi: भारतीय आयुध निर्माणियाँ), is an industrial setup functioning under the Department of Defence Production of Ministry of Defence, Government of India. It is engaged in production, testing, logistics, research, development and marketing of a comprehensive product range in the areas of land, air and sea systems."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ordnance_Factories

    So the IOF is actually the government. Sexual assault has become a big media issue and this is likely a way for the government can claim to be "doing something" about it. However, the pricing likely demonstrates that the don't want too many women taking advantage of this option.

    "The Arms Act of 1959 and the Arms Rules 1962 of India prohibits the sale, manufacture, possession, acquisition, import, export and transport of firearms and ammunition unless under a license and is a stringent process.[61] The Arms Act classifies firearms into two categories: Prohibited Bore (PB) and Non-Prohibited Bore (NPB), where semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms fall under the Prohibited Bore category."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law#India

    "Hundreds turned up at the police department seeking permission to get a gun for self-defense, with officers having to explain that “a clear danger to one’s life” should exist for someone in India to be given a license.
    “They said that with even public transport no longer safe in the city, they just cannot take chances. When we told them this could not be reason enough, we were told to provide in writing that their daughters were indeed safe on Delhi’s roads,” the officer added.
    Not only do the women of India suffer from male violence with impunity, they are also discriminated against in their rights to legally acquire arms, the Indian National Association for Gun Rights said.
    “The fact that even parents are ready to hand over weapons to their daughters shows they are living in fear. There is a 20% increase in self-defence courses across the city,” he concluded.
    Out of more than 800 applications for guns received from women over the last two years, only a few dozen have been accepted by the Delhi police, with just a handful of licenses granted on the grounds of personal threats. Others were rejected as “no personal safety threat was assessed,” though “self-defense” is an increasingly popular reason provided in applications.
    This may not stop some of the parents from buying guns on the black market, or illegally manufactured weapons. Of 40 million firearms in the hands of Indian civilians only 6.3 million have been registered, the international bulletin of firearm injury prevention GunPolicy.org estimates."
    http://rt.com/news/indian-women-gun-licences-195/

    So they are marketing a handgun for women to defend themselves with that is too expensive for most to afford, and even if you can afford it, good luck getting a license. A fine illustration of how government fixes things.

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  3. Really, Mike? Now you are concerned with guns being too expensive?

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    1. At 2,000 a copy they are to expensive. The manufactures are rapping the women again.

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    2. As if this has something to do with the US Firearms industry? As Sarge pointed out, this is the Indian government making these guns, not free market enterprise. This is what you can expect when the government controls manufacturing, and they are not sympathetic to gun rights.

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    3. So you approve of their government gouging and profiteering from the sale of guns for rape defense. The government allows rape and does little to stop it, but are willing to make money off it. .

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    4. "So you approve of their government gouging and profiteering from the sale of guns for rape defense."

      Your suggestion that the government engaging in profiteering in the sale of these guns might be valid, if on the other side, they allowed women to buy them. However, since as the article shows, they also approve very few requests for a license to own it in the first place.
      This would suggest that this is all a big show to show the government "doing something" to solve the problem, but insuring there is no real change.
      For example you can buy a new .38 Taurus revolver for about $400, and if you want to go with Ruger or S&W it goes up to about $700. But it appears there is likely a government controlled monopoly on this product. Want to bet that the guns listed above aren't available in India?
      I posted this because mike was suggesting this was an example of the profiteering you suggested, but it was on the part of the evil gun manufacturers, when it is in reality, their own government.

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    5. I suggested it was on the part of their government.
      It is a big show by government. If their government was serious they would get tough on rape, that's not happening. All they offer is a gun at high prices and their poverty is worse than most. It takes decades to change the thinking in a culture. It took America decades to change on drunk driving. Rape in our own culture had lax penalties. A law on the books doesn't help much if it is not enforced.

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