Friday, January 17, 2014

More responsible gun ownership

It seems that Lauren Tannehill, wife of Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill, turned in a rental car, but forgot to remove an AR-15 rifle from the back seat.  it doesn't appear that leaving a weapon used to slaughter people (e.g., small children) in rental cars is a crime.

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  1. "it doesn't appear that leaving a weapon used to slaughter people (e.g., small children) in rental cars is a crime."

    Exactly how many small children did she slaughter with this gun? I didn't see the stat in the link.

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  2. What did she need an AR-15 for? Was she doing a drug deal? In the back seat, not even covered? Another idiot gun loon.

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  3. Wow, if I had a two thousand dollar rifle, I think I'd remember it. Though I imagine its chump change for them. The one I plan on buying is only about nine hundred.

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    1. If you cant afford one, you can't be trusted with one.

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    2. An interesting concept that obviously the Army hasn't caught wind of considering the price of their stuff. Or perhaps its just that the one I'm getting will do quite well. I don't need the fancy electronics, I've done just fine with the standard iron sights.

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    3. Competency is not essential to the individual when acting collectively on the behalf of others.

      The cannon fodder is supervised by the officers, the officers supervised by generals, you may act on another’s behalf, and be competent to act upon such, but outside the scope of the collective authority, the individual is simply a threat.

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  4. Negligent to leave such a weapon. That's how kids will find it and get killed, or kill. But hey, making fun of this kind of deadly idiocy, is what gun loons do.

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    1. They contribute to society by giving other gun owners a bad name.

      Every victim of gun violence dies a martyr to the state, as each coffin that is nailed by bullets is another round of ammunition in the state's fight against guns.

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    2. The idiot gun owner should have been locked up for failure to properly secure her weapon. Then she should have been stripped of her gun rights. Of course, what she did is not a crime in Florida or most anyplace. But it should be and fewer people would be killed.

      If there were such a law, how exactly would that "punish" lawful gun owners, to use Greg's favorite description?

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  5. If you can only see the AR-15 as a weapon to slaughter people, that's your psychological problem.

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    1. Don't you know the purpose that firearms where designed for, or do you need to be isolated and proscribed from civil society like the other mental inadequates?

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    2. "The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

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    3. The first guns were designed to breach castle walls.

      Cannon.

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    4. That's what it was designed for, killing people.

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    5. Lucy4 is simply the latest sockpuppet of E.N./Jadegold, repeating the same old tripe from the doctrines of Kim Jong Il.

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    6. The AR-15 and the M16 it is based upon were DESIGNED for the purpose of slaughtering people. To pretend anything else is simply stupid, Greg. It wasn't designed to be a toy for target shooting, for hunting, or to prop up your stupid sense of self-identity.

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    7. "The AR-15 and the M16 it is based upon were DESIGNED for the purpose of slaughtering people."

      The same could be said of the 1903 Springfield, the M1 Garand, and the M14/M1A. Its just a matter of how current the design is. All of these play an integral part of the Civilian Marksmanship Program and national level marksmanship competitions.

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    8. What's the point of a shooting competition?

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    9. Oregonian, an AR-15 can be used in hunting or target shooting. Besides, other than it's lousy direct impingement mechanism, it's functionally identical to many other rifles.

      But here's a clue: I don't own one. But do continue believing such nonsense about why gun owners own guns. That false impression of yours helps my side win.

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    10. Who are you talking to?

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    11. Greg knows, and so do I. Someone besides you.

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    12. Anonymous, the person from Oregon goes by the name of Norse gods, and I find that sacrilegious, since I honor those gods.

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    13. Oh please, sacrilegious? No wonder people find it hard to discuss anything with you.

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    14. Yes, Anonymous, I honor the Norse gods. That's a part of my religious beliefs. I will not dishonor their names by using them in reference to the person from Oregon. If this creates difficulties for you in discussing things with me, that's not my problem.

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    15. Actually is is part of your problem. It shows what an extremist you are and cannot be talked to in a civil manner.

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    16. Yes, indeed, that weapon was designed to slaughter people.

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  6. I don't believe the real issue is with the irresponsible gun owner. The problem is with the ridiculously lax gun laws in Florida. Particularly in respect to transportation or vehicle carry of loaded vs. unloaded weapons. Let's start with a normal, progressive state, for instance, California.

    When being transported, handguns must be unloaded and in a locked fully enclosed container other than the glove box or any console attached to the vehicle. The trunk of a car is considered to be a locked container but a glove box or "utility box" is specifically forbidden. If one believes he or she is within a "gun-free school zone" (area surrounding 1,000 feet from the edge of school grounds which teaches any grade from kindergarten to 12th grade) then the handgun must be locked in a fully enclosed container. Failure to lock up a handgun while in a school zone is a violation of federal and state law.
    Long guns (rifles, shotguns) must be unloaded when transported in a vehicle. There is no requirement for a locked container with the exception of long guns considered to be "assault weapons".
    Assault weapons, as defined by California law, must always be transported in locked containers and may only be transported under certain circumstances


    Now look at the same applicable laws in the right-wing, ALEC-infected, libertarian stronghold formerly known as the state of Florida.

    Vehicle carry without a license is permitted.
    • Handguns – must be either "securely encased" or not immediately available for use. "Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. Carry of a Handgun on one's person inside a vehicle without a license is not permitted (except in the case of open carry in accordance with the law outlined above). Once a handgun is securely encased, it can be stored anywhere inside the vehicle and is not limited to just the glove compartment/center console.
    • Long Guns – a legal firearm other than a handgun may be anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use.
    As of July 1, 2008, Florida became a "Take your gun to work" state (F.S. 790.251). This law prohibits most businesses from firing any employee with a Concealed Weapon License for keeping a legal firearm locked in their vehicle in the company parking lot. The purpose of the new law is to allow carry licensees to exercise their Second Amendment rights during their commutes to and from work. Exceptions listed in F.S. 790.251(7) include:
    • school property;
    • correctional institutions;
    • property where a nuclear-powered electricity generation facility is located;
    • property upon which substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security are conducted;
    • property upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials;
    • a motor vehicle owned/leased/rented by your employer;
    • any other property upon which possession of a firearm is prohibited pursuant to any federal law, contract with a federal government entity, or general law of Florida.
    Florida law makes no distinction between loaded and unloaded firearms except in determination of the firearm's availability immediate for use.


    That's why her actions were perfectly legal. Because the entire state has gone off of the deep end.

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    1. Flying Junior, she could have legally transported her AR-15 the exact same way in California (provided it was equipped with a Bullet Button making the gun legal). In fact, the article described the gun as cased (and bagged), and she would not have had to do that. It could have been open and visible, provided it was unloaded.

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    2. Given that four out of five states in this country support gun rights, California isn't normal, and it's only progressive in the sense of having gone a long way down the wrong road.

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    3. All States support the Constitution, except for States like yours who want to secede from the country. Following the Constitution some States have different laws than others. If there is a State that absolutely refuses to sell firearms to a qualified person, please tell me. Thanks for proving again that you are a lying criminal coward by saying that1/5th of the States do not follow the Constitution and refuse to sell guns to the public. A total lie.

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    4. No response, thought so.

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    5. TS, do you really think the woman did nothing wrong?

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  7. "As of July 1, 2008, Florida became a "Take your gun to work" state (F.S. 790.251). This law prohibits most businesses from firing any employee with a Concealed Weapon License for keeping a legal firearm locked in their vehicle in the company parking lot. The purpose of the new law is to allow carry licensees to exercise their Second Amendment rights during their commutes to and from work. Exceptions listed in F.S. 790.251(7) include:"

    Minnesota also prohibits employers and businesses from banning legally carried firearms in their parking lots. What is ironic is that until I became an official student, it was perfectly legal to carry with a permit at the college I attend. Once I became a student, I can still legally carry, but could be expelled for breaking school rules.

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    1. Minnesota isn't known for its political, or legal sanity, which explains a lot about your lying coward character. Did you vote for the wrestler and the comedian, or did you vote for the Republican who put the State in a 5.5 Billion dollar debt? Gee, let me guess.

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    2. "Minnesota isn't known for its political, or legal sanity"

      Too true, proven by the fact that we did elect a wrestler and a comedian.

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    3. I understand your reluctance to answer the question.

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    4. That reluctance being cowardice.

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  8. Laci, the rental car company turned the car over to the next customer with the gun still in it. Do you also call for the arrests of the employees responsible for that?

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    1. It certainly speaks to how well the company checks over their vehicles between customers. Maybe they figured they could skip it because it was only out for a few hours, but TS is correct, they rented out a potential safety hazard.
      Or, imagine if a felon had rented the car. Then he would potentially be on the hook for possession of a firearm by a felon.

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    2. Nice to know you supposed gun experts find leaving a deadly weapon in a car many have access to, is funny. Keep showing that criminal character.

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    3. The car rental folks responsible should be fired. The gun owner should spend a night in jail and lose her gun rights forever. This was probably not her first offense and since she lives in the gun paradise of FL, it won't be the last.

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  9. I've decided that due to Anon's/Steve's/whoever's multiple identity issue, I'm going to take a time out from all Anons and Steve. I think I'm going to start with a weekend and see how I feel on Monday.
    His cackling hurts my ears, and I think it was TS that commented that its like talking to a five year old. That made me think because I use the same logic with my teenage son when he argues with his six year old sister. I always ask him what he hopes to accomplish by arguing with a six year old. Thank you TS.
    I want to apologize in advance to the at least one Anon that I know that actually makes adult comments. Maybe we can talk come Monday.
    Mike, sorry if this makes me a poor guest, but its getting old.

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    1. Apology not accepted. You made the exact mistake Steve claimed you made. It's not my fault you guys are in a feud, and I can read why. You lumped me in and you were not nice about it, your mistake.

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    2. The fault lies with you, Anonymous, and others like you who write in the same style, but won't use a unique name.

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    3. No the problem lies with paranoid idiots who think one person is six people. Funny how these people you claim are multiple people, all disagree with your thinking.

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    4. That is kind of weird that all seven of them are in complete agreement. Not one of them finds the identical use of language strange and might agree that I have at least presented evidence that draws suspicion. Instead we see them acting as a monolithic entity. We don't see free thinking of any of these supposed individuals.

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    5. For the record, did you mean to say, "thinks six people is one person" instead? Or are you yet another new commentator who is calling Steve a "paranoid idiot"?

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    6. It's typical for an opposition to use the same line (talking points) . In fact they are usually directed to. So you have a handful using the same line against you and others, so what? That doesn't prove they are the same person. The claim here is did Greg say those words, or not? The claim that others are using the same lines, or words against you is clear. It's also clear that those are Greg's words and it's his obligation to speak to that, not try and destroy the messenger.

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    7. See, the thing is, no one has ever called me or Greg a "lying criminal coward" until Kevin came along. No one has ever called anyone an "ass hole" until you came along. And all the other examples I gave. Now all of a sudden there are seven who say these exact words?

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    8. "Kevin" must be a new one, haven't seen that name. Point still stands, if you have 100 saying the same thing, that is their intention.

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    9. So now you are agreeing that if these are separate people, their intention is to mimic you (or we could just as easily say "mock")? If the accusation is that you have many sock puppets, how on earth does it help you if a half a dozen people are colluding at make that appear to be true? It seems these people are against you and you don't even realize it.

      Or the more likely explanation is that these are your sock puppets.

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    10. You keep using YOU as if I'm Steve. Another mistake on your part. Some would call that a lie. Have fun living in your delusion.
      "Agreeing that these are separate people." Yes, that's been my point from the start. I guess you missed that, or can't read, or are just used to lying.

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    11. Keep reading what I said. Are you agreeing that their intention is to appear to be your sock puppet by deliberately using the same words as you? Then wouldn't it also be plausible that your imitator could be just one person given that their intent is to show sock puppetry?

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    12. No, since I'm not who you claim I am.
      Don't bust your delusion, that will trigger your violence and you will probably hurt someone with your gun.

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    13. "Mike, sorry if this makes me a poor guest, but its getting old." said ss.

      On the contrary. I agree with you completely and warned Steve earlier today. If needs be, comment moderation will go back on.

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    14. I appreciate that. I sort of announced some behavior based rules on what I'll reply to. And while it might be premature, it seems to have resulted in some improvement. Though that is likely because my replies to him make him more aggressive.
      I am hoping we can avoid you having to resort to turning on moderation again, but its your house so to speak, and must do what you feel is best. In fact I just had a quite pleasant debate with an Anon on a more recent thread. Kudos to him for breaking the mold.

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