One of my best pals sadly lost his father, a U.S. Marine, when he was only twelve years old. He and his brothers used to break into their deceased father's gun case to shoot in the local canyon. He suggested the idea to me one day. I said "Fuck no!"
A couple of weeks later, his mother got rid of the guns.
The police were "originally told" someone drove up and started shooting? Who told police that? The parents? The report states the police were then told by one of the teenagers what really happened. Someone lied to the police to cover up the truth, they should be charged with lying to the police. If the parents lied, they should go to jail.
So all we really know is that the kids have been lying to the police, and they got their hands on a gun. And the police are going to be fairly closed mouthed since this is a juvenile case.
Mike, not too long ago, you were arguing that juveniles being tried as adults shout be very rare. Actually you said,
Trying juvenile offenders as adults should be extremely extremely rare. http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/01/washington-15-year-old-shot-parents.html
I'm not sure how disclosure affects criminal cases such as this, and whether it does anything to admissibility of evidence. But my guess is that the police aren't talking much because they are still working on making sure they have the correct story, which is mentioned several times in the video. The only time it was mentioned that the kids got the gun from the parents was when they were interviewing someone near the home who wasn't there. What the man said in that interview is commonly called gossip.
Is that a bumbling attempt at a gotcha? I didn't say anything to support trying this young man as an adult. What I'm trying to point out is that if the gun came from his home, like they usually do, the parents should be charged.
It said it was a teen who told them what really happened. It didn't mention if it was a teen, or an adult who first said some car drove by and started shooting.
Yes, and now the police are likely taking everything they are told by them with a grain of salt and will rightfully be looking for evidence to back up any statement. They released what the police think is more likely, because there likely isn't any real reason for a stranger to drive up and start shooting at a stranger.
Since no other witnesses were mentioned in the incident report the news people had, who exactly do you think called the police with the drive by shooting story?
This is a good example of why we need licensing and registration. The true owner of the gun, and therefore the one responsible for it, should be as transparently available as it is with cars that are involved in accidents.
The report does not say that information about a drive up shooting was called in. The report did say they got the truth of what happened from a teen. You said it must have been a teen who lied and said it was a drive up shooting. There is no evidence of that. You said all we know is kids have been lying to police. We don't know that, it was not stated in the report, and what was reported by police, is that a teen told them what they believe to be the truth. Again, there is no truth in your statement that one of the teens must have lied to the police.
Anon, you are correct that there was no mention in the video or article stating that the police were called. So it's entirely possible that someone stopped by the station to report it, or flagged down an officer. Though most of the time, police are sent as a result of someone calling to report something. You are also correct that we don't know that a teen lied to police. We do know that police were told two different stories, one of which was seemingly intended to deflect potential blame for the shooting away from the teens with a report of a stranger driving by. Then you have to ask, who most benefits from this type of lie?
One of my best pals sadly lost his father, a U.S. Marine, when he was only twelve years old. He and his brothers used to break into their deceased father's gun case to shoot in the local canyon. He suggested the idea to me one day. I said "Fuck no!"
ReplyDeleteA couple of weeks later, his mother got rid of the guns.
The police were "originally told" someone drove up and started shooting? Who told police that? The parents? The report states the police were then told by one of the teenagers what really happened. Someone lied to the police to cover up the truth, they should be charged with lying to the police. If the parents lied, they should go to jail.
ReplyDeleteLying to the police should get a slap on the wrist. Allowing the kids access to the gun should result in jail time and the loss of gun rights.
DeleteSo all we really know is that the kids have been lying to the police, and they got their hands on a gun. And the police are going to be fairly closed mouthed since this is a juvenile case.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that "closed-mouthed since this is a juvenile case" bullshit is convenient for the real criminal parents who allowed access to the gun.
DeleteMike, not too long ago, you were arguing that juveniles being tried as adults shout be very rare. Actually you said,
DeleteTrying juvenile offenders as adults should be extremely extremely rare.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/01/washington-15-year-old-shot-parents.html
I'm not sure how disclosure affects criminal cases such as this, and whether it does anything to admissibility of evidence. But my guess is that the police aren't talking much because they are still working on making sure they have the correct story, which is mentioned several times in the video.
The only time it was mentioned that the kids got the gun from the parents was when they were interviewing someone near the home who wasn't there. What the man said in that interview is commonly called gossip.
Is that a bumbling attempt at a gotcha? I didn't say anything to support trying this young man as an adult. What I'm trying to point out is that if the gun came from his home, like they usually do, the parents should be charged.
DeleteIt said it was a teen who told them what really happened. It didn't mention if it was a teen, or an adult who first said some car drove by and started shooting.
ReplyDeleteYes, and now the police are likely taking everything they are told by them with a grain of salt and will rightfully be looking for evidence to back up any statement. They released what the police think is more likely, because there likely isn't any real reason for a stranger to drive up and start shooting at a stranger.
ReplyDeleteAs Baldr says, whenever a kid gets hurt with a gun, an adult should be held accountable.
DeleteSo far, we don't know if they have any evidence to determine which adult to hold accountable.
DeleteYou said:
Delete"So all we really know is that the kids have been lying to the police"
How do we know it was the kids lying to the police?
Since no other witnesses were mentioned in the incident report the news people had, who exactly do you think called the police with the drive by shooting story?
DeleteThis is a good example of why we need licensing and registration. The true owner of the gun, and therefore the one responsible for it, should be as transparently available as it is with cars that are involved in accidents.
DeleteMikeb, you have a lot of needs that aren't going to be met.
DeleteThe report does not say that information about a drive up shooting was called in. The report did say they got the truth of what happened from a teen.
ReplyDeleteYou said it must have been a teen who lied and said it was a drive up shooting. There is no evidence of that. You said all we know is kids have been lying to police. We don't know that, it was not stated in the report, and what was reported by police, is that a teen told them what they believe to be the truth.
Again, there is no truth in your statement that one of the teens must have lied to the police.
Anon, you are correct that there was no mention in the video or article stating that the police were called. So it's entirely possible that someone stopped by the station to report it, or flagged down an officer. Though most of the time, police are sent as a result of someone calling to report something.
DeleteYou are also correct that we don't know that a teen lied to police. We do know that police were told two different stories, one of which was seemingly intended to deflect potential blame for the shooting away from the teens with a report of a stranger driving by. Then you have to ask, who most benefits from this type of lie?
The adults have a lot of reasons to hide what really happened in their home, and lie about it if they thought they might get in trouble.
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