The bad news:
Andrew Anglemyer and colleagues at the University of California, San Francisco, trolled through studies that had already been done to see if they could clarify the association between gun ownership and violent death. They found 14 studies that found the odds of suicide went up by anywhere from 1.5 times to 10-fold if people had access to guns. Experts say this is partly because guns are far deadlier than other suicide methods, such as taking pills, which may not succeed.Nevermind, the "pro-gun" forces will just have to make sure reliable studies are not funded.
Studies looking at homicide found that if people had access to guns, they were two to three times more likely to be killed themselves.
“Firearms cause an estimated 31,000 deaths annually in the United States,” they wrote in their report, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine. “Data from the 16-state National Violent Death Reporting System indicate that 51.8 percent of deaths from suicide in 2009 were firearm-related; among homicide victims, 66.5 percent were firearm-related.”
After all, the truth is "anti-gun".
The best part of this article:
“Obtaining a firearm not only endangers those living in the home but also imposes substantial costs on the community.”
The report can be found here.
It always helps your results when you can pick and choose which studies you find credible.
ReplyDeleteEvery time a survey (even when they use CDC data) is posted on this site that disagrees with your thinking, you cowardly liars claim the surveys are lies.
Delete14 of 15 surveys show the same results, which show your 2/3rds figure wrong.
No surprise, you are known as proven liars. Just the other day you were spreading your lies about the amount of suicides (2/3rds), yet, go back in the archives of this blog and all of you were using the 50% number. I still don't understand why you have to lie to make your point.
DeleteI stand corrected Steve, according to the CDC stats for 2010, the most current year available, all firearm deaths were 31,672. Of those, 19,392 were firearm suicides. That gives a percentage of 61.2%. Thanks for keeping me straight.
Steve, you should retread the article. The 51.8% figure comes from using data from sixteen states. They don't say which sixteen, and they also didn't say why they left out the other thirty four.
DeleteI'll take the results of 14 over 1 any day.
DeleteGee, it's nice you can pick and choose the studies that confirm your numbers.
So why has your numbers changed? You use to cite a 50% figure, just the other day a 2/3rds number, and now you change it again today. That's the sign of a liar.
No, it's a sign of someone who was mistaken. I did post the 50% figure and then Greg corrected me. I went to the CDC and confirmed that Greg was correct, and then said so later in the thread.
DeleteSorry, doesn't cover it. You guys have been using the 50% figure for months; it's not just a mistake from a few comment threads ago. Either you have been mistaken for months, or you are lying. Your track record of lying is well documented. And it doesn't explain why EVERY time this blog cites a study, you say it's bogus. What's bogus here are your claims.
DeleteNo need to be Sorry, the cult of the gun is totally okay with 30,000+ gun deaths a year because they can't imagine that it might be them who leaves their weapon laying about for a 3 year old to find or that those noises they heard coming from their basement are just in their mind. Sadly, because of the irresponsible gun lunatics many innocents will die.
ReplyDeleteGee, the three liars have been (just recently) pounding the figure that 2/3rds are suicides.
ReplyDeleteThe two-thirds number is basically correct, unless you're going to get picky about a percentage point one way or the other. Two-thirds of gunshot deaths are suicides. The article here said that half of suicides are by gunfire. Those numbers aren't talking about the same thing.
ReplyDeleteBut if you on the gun control side want to believe that you're more at risk with a gun in the house than without, by all means, don't own a gun. I have no problem with that. But don't tell me that I can't own a gun.
"basically correct"
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So we are to believe one study over 14 studies, just because it confirms what you say. You are a proven liar, so I'll go with the 14 studies. The fact you guys keep changing your numbers proves you are lying.
Anonymous, stop making yourself look stupid. The report here says that about 50% of suicides are done with a firearm, but that there are some 31,000 firearms deaths. Of that 31,000, about two-thirds are suicides.
DeleteWhy don't you just stop lying, then we wouldn't have to prove you a liar on every issue that comes up. Why do you have to lie to make a point anyways?
DeleteOne of Greg's favorite distortions is that the suicides are a choice and therefore should not be counted. The truth is that almost all of the suicides are the result, not of choice, but the manifestation of mental illness. Mentally ill people don't enjoy the same faculty of choice that would be necessary for the pro gun argument that Greg keeps making.
DeleteHi folks, I was actually able to track down the actual study mentioned in the article because another news provider was actually willing to name the source of the study. The article Laci posted seemed to assume that no one would want to look. Oh well, here it is,
ReplyDeletehttp://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426#r94-6
From the study - "Data from the 16-state National Violent Death Reporting System indicate that 51.8% of deaths from suicide in 2009 (n = 9949) were firearm-related; among homicide victims (n = 4057), 66.5% were firearm-related. "
DeleteWhy do you keep lying about the percentages Greg? 66.5% is not 2/3rds. two thirds would be 66.6666...% Everyone can see through your lying ways!
Good one, Jim. That's pretty spot on with what we are dealing with.
DeleteYes Jim, keep up the good work. That one tenth of one percent can make all the difference. Ooops, sorry, make that .166666... of one percent.
DeleteActually, what I've pointed out is that of the suicides in this country per annum, about half are from gunfire. At the same time, two-thirds of gunshot deaths in the same period are suicides. The trolls insist on mixing those two numbers.
DeleteActually Jim you are dealing with proven liars when dealing with SS, TS, and Greg.
DeleteDid you read Greg's comments (which SS and TS have said they agree with) that say revenge is justice and beating people up is OK?
This Congressional Research Service report might be relevant http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf
ReplyDelete“Firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate was 6.6 per 100,000 Americans in 1993. Following the exponential growth in the number of guns, that rate fell to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000.
This rate rose from 2004 to 2005 and got as high as 3.9 in 2006 and 2007, but it then resumed falling in 2008, the year the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that individual firearm possession is Constitutionally protected—particularly for self-defense. This figure fell to 3.2 per 100,000 by 2011.
In other words, as the number of firearms almost doubled over a nearly 20-year period, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate was more than halved.
Additionally, the overall murder rate dropped from 9.0 per 100,000 in 1994 to 4.7 in 2011. The overall number of estimated murder victims fell from 23,326 in 1994 to 14,612 in 2011. For estimated firearms-related murder victims, those numbers are 16,333 in 1994 and 9,903 in 2011.
Goes to show more guns equals less crime. Granted, guns make suicide easier, but a person bent on doing away with themselves will find another way to do the deed.
You expect us to believe a gun loon hack like the Congressional Research Service?
DeleteI see what you did there.
Delete"You expect us to believe a gun loon hack like the Congressional Research Service?"
DeleteYes, everyone knows that a research arm of the US Congress cant be trusted to do research that would effect legislation.
"The Congressional Research Service (CRS), known as Congress's think tank,[3] is a public policy research arm of the United States Congress. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS works primarily and directly for Members of Congress, their Committees and staff on a confidential, nonpartisan basis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Reference_Service
Thanks ssg. Obviously I gave these other commentators credit for having some common sense. Reckon I was sadly mistaken...my bad.
DeleteThese studies prove only one thing..that guns are the most effective and therefore most prefered tool for getting the job done. Twisting things to say that violence and suicide happens because of guns is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteWho the fuck ever said "violence and suicide happens because of guns."
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