So, I'm reading about NRA member Everett Basham who was arrested and charged with 12 felonies in connection with his threats against a California state senator. NRA member Basham was upset that State Sen. Leland Yee was proposing legislation to tighten up California gun laws. Remember this: Yee was proposing using a democratic process to possibly change certain gun laws.
NRA member Basham took umbrage and allegedly made specific threats involving assassination unless Yee ceased talking about any gun restrictions.
Gunloons often like to talk about their fetish in terms of rights; often, they will argue their gun fetish is no different than their First Amendment rights. Of course, gunloons believe the Second Amendment is absolute and the First Amendment is not--especially when gun fetishism is criticized.
Case in point: Basham threatening to kill a California State Senator. What's interesting is in the comments, our own Greggy Camp writes:
Since one American in three is a gun owner, you'd better stop talking if you're that afraid of us.
Unless you're endangering my life or the life of some other innocent person, I have no interest in doing anything to you. But since you live in constant fear of gun owners, don't you imagine that not taunting them is a good idea?
This is really what gunloons are about. They could care less about rights, self-defense, tyranny, hunting or sport-shooting. What they are religiously about is authoritarianism. That is, they want to command fear which they mistake as respect. Their fetishism lies in the fact most of them couldn't get respect in any other way.
Goldilocks, once again, I see no evidence that Basham is an NRA member. But since you clearly have no ability to understand plain English, it's no surprise that you'd misread the article that way. You read authoritarianism in my comment, when plainly it was meant to ridicule the paranoia of your side. It's cute how you say that gun-rights advocates call for authoritarianism, when it's gun control freaks who constantly seek to tell everyone what we can and cannot do.
ReplyDeleteGreg, the ability and willingness to deliberately misunderstand is vital to those who knowingly occupy untenable positions. I suspect it's a way to reduce the cognitive dissonance they experience. Otherwise, they're faced with the prospect of changing their views and that is unacceptable. In the case of many, though not all, gun control advocates that I've encountered, cognitive dissonance explains a lot about the way they argue. Combine that with a few common defense mechanisms (denial, projection and reaction formation) and a lot of the behaviors I've encountered suddenly make sense. Its important to remember this isn't any sort of diagnosis. Rather, its an observation about behavior.
DeleteGreg (and his disciples in stupidity),
DeleteBefore you spout, such ridiculous notions here, I have a few suggestions:
1 Before posting, (or make any statement for that matter) ask yourself "What would a reasonable and intelligent person do if they where in my position?"
2 Read my comments and (please try) to understand them
3 Do yourself a favor, and stop making fantastical claims of "individual liberties" existing (they are concepts which do not apply to individuals)
4 Stop scaring people. Rather unfortunately (feebleminded) people listen to you. Stop taking advantage of their naivete, and poisoning their minds with your anarchist, Anti-American propaganda.
5 Read (or learn how to). Do your homework. Do research on a topic before you make grandiose claims. Read (Party approved literature) and try to understand WHY I am right. You might learn something.
RM, you're doing the La Pierre trick of accusing your adversaries of that which you're guilty of.
DeleteThere goes E.N. again, fantasizing about the control that he doesn't have and never will have.
DeleteMike, thank you for sharing your point of view. Now, if you'd like a more in depth explanation of defense mechanisms I'd be glad to recommend some good texts and other references. Those might help you develop a better understanding of why I list the three I did. If you choose to look further into defense mechanisms, remember, they are common to all of us and are not mental illnesses.
DeleteTell you what, Mike. I'll go further than referring you to texts that discuss defense mechanisms in detail. I'll be glad to give specific examples and explanations of why I think those examples meet the clinical criteria necessary to be considered defense mechanisms. Then you'll have the opportunity to explain my clinical error. We can even discuss it off site if you wish. Fair enough?
DeleteDo you realize how deranged and deluded you sound?
ReplyDeleteorlin sellers
Gunsucks are mentally ill sex deviants who become upset when their fetish objects are threatened.
ReplyDeleteGreggy: The facts are what they are. You basically said, 'don't tell us what we don't like to hear or we'll threaten you with our guns.'
ReplyDeleteSo much for free speech.
Problem is, you have folks like NRA member Basham who apparently will act on stifling free speech. Heck, you have Wayne LaPierre talking about conspiracies involving the TSA to take away guns.
Goldilocks, I see that trying to educate your side in logic is a waste of time. But you're free to say whatever you wish, no matter how inane.
DeleteI'll point out to other readers that while gun control freaks appear to be terrified of private gun ownership, they taunt gun owners and make all manner of insulting remarks. This contradiction shows that they aren't really concerned about what gun owners will do. Given other evidence, we see that gun control freaks only care about control.
According to the (seemingly delusional) Greg Camp:
Delete"they taunt gun owners and make all manner of insulting remarks"
What rhetoric are you referring to? In what remarks do you find sentiments of vitriol or disdain? We have been very tolerant of the backward ways of gun "owners" and other "Americans" and have undertook a collective effort never to descend into the pit of depraved and unadorned insults and idle threats which seems to be the last bastion of your cause as such is devoid of any realistic premise for support.
Seldom has anyone here who has taken upon themselves the task of educating avowed neo-anarchists (such as yourself) descended to your level and employed similar tactics of hollow insults and deranged rants. I doubt that you could find any example of a gun-violence opponent (such as Mikeb, Laci, Doggone, Demmocommie, Jadegold, and the many anonymous citizens who make their voice heard) who degrades themselves to stoop to your level.
We don't need to devolve to the level of such ideological lepers who would support such a depraved notion as gun "rights". Such a dangerous policy will inevitably be fazed out, due to the inherent destruction that firearms pose in the hands of the common civilian. You, on the other hand are brazenly arrogant enough to believe that you are among a certain caste of people who can be entrusted with death dealing devices (in absolute contradiction to the current bloodshed) and will use such in a manner that will serve contrary for the intended purpose of such a weapon.
E.N., all you have to do is read their comments and your comments to see the nature of gun control freaks. I give you Jadegold and nickxdanger as examples just from this article.
DeleteAnd by the way, the word that you wanted was "phased," not "fazed."
Surely I missed the link that lets us know Basham is an NRA member, yes? As for his actions, threats of violence should always be taken seriously, so based upon the little I know now, his arrest was appropriate as will be the charges that follow.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Greg's comments, your apparent willingness to misconstrue the statements of those who disagree with you is a sad testament to your tepid support of freedom.
As for the First Amendment, I support it wholeheartedly, just as I do all our other constitutionally guaranteed liberties. To me, they are all unspeakably valuable.
Dang commie Jadegold go back to Mexico with Hyugo Shavez or wherever you came from! You hippy-liberals are ruining our country by writing all these "laws" about what people can't do? If you outlaw somthing only criminals will do it stupid! Try tellling us that we cant drive as fast as we want, smoke what we want wheere we want, cant eat what we want like FREE roadkill and endangred feces, say you cant make moonshine, and make some dumbass laws about not shooting whenver you want and some laws about not carring guns.
ReplyDeleteHow about dis for a change? NO MORE LAWS!!!
Let's go back before all the new laws letting people open carry, concealed carry without deep background checks and needing a viable reason, before "stand your ground," before prohibiting the CDC and NIH and other entities from researching gun violence prevention, before allowing people to purchase and possess high capacity magazines, and 50 caliber firearms, and all the new military assault rifles, etc.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean back to the time that we could buy full-auto firearms like the Thompson submachine gun from a hardware store without any check or license? Or when we could buy firearms through the mail?
DeleteRetired Mustang, it's a joy having you come here. At times I feel like a voice crying in the wilderness, and I'm glad to be joined by other rational people.
ReplyDeleteGlad to be here, Greg. Have you considered the idea that many of the truly strident gun control voices seem to exhibit behavior amazingly similar to, oh, let's say...Westboro Baptist Church?
DeleteSimilar kind of thinking, that--a small group that believes itself to know the truth and must save the rest of us, even if we don't want to be saved.
DeleteAnd I'm still waiting for the evidence that Basham is an NRA member. He might be, but at this point I suspect such evidence is not going to be forthcoming.
ReplyDeleteStill no evidence?
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