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Eric Garner's July 17 death at the hands of NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo was captured on film and circulated on the Internet. Garner's last words, "I can't breathe," later became a rallying cry during demonstrations made in his name. Pantaleo, who placed Garner in a chokehold prohibited by the police department, was not indicted for the death. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said shortly after the grand jury's decisionthat Garner would have survived the fatal chokehold had he not been "obese."
This is one topic me and you can agree on mike and I'm assuming there are more just not guns or taxes Im guessing
ReplyDeleteRep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said shortly after the grand jury's decisionthat Garner would have survived the fatal chokehold had he not been "obese." ...Or he may have survived if the officers had provided medical attention to him instead of texting their Union Reps
MBIAC.....
What is it that we agree on - that the choke-hold cop should have been indicted?
DeleteYes but not just him all the cops present are responsible .I do not believe the choke hold killed him. They all failed to provide care to the victim and while I believe his medical issues exacerbated his condition their actions lead to the victims death for selling cigarettes. Yes Eric was resisting arrest that is fact but it was the police who chose to escalate the situation to the point of violence. They could have talked him into calming down had they tried but Eric had not respected their authority and had to be taught a lesson in the cops way of thinking that or they would have us believe they were protecting the public..was it racially motivated? in my opinion no it was pig being pigs.
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Wow, we really do agree on that.
DeleteWow! Imagine! The pro-gun guys are on Garner's side and not the white cops! But they're supposed to be racists! And scared of Santa having black helpers! I guess Laci will just have to sit alone and tell himself jokes about the other racists in his head.
DeleteRep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said shortly after the grand jury's decisionthat Garner would have survived the fatal chokehold had he not been "obese."
ReplyDeleteSounds like something that anti-gun dirtbag idiot would say.
The sooner people realize we live in a Police State and that 99% of cops are sick MoFos,
ReplyDeletethe better your chance of survival. If a cop tells you to kneel down and lick his boots, kneel down and lick his boots. Perhaps he won't kill you, if you do what he tells you.
Avoid cops. If you see one, go the other way.
This Garner dude had been busted over 30 times. If he didn't know better than to be hanging out, he pretty much got what he deserved for being a dumb ass. He shoulda licked the boots. What kinda fool thinks he has any rights when dealing with these sick bastards. Don't be a dumb ass, lick the boots. Kiss their ass, lick the boots and you may live another day. You can't win with these assholes. Walk toward them and you are endangering this POS. Walk away from them and you are resisting this POS. This is a Police State. Get that into your thick head.
orlin sellers
I feel so sorry for you. Where the hell do you live any way, Mississippi?
DeleteNear as I can tell, the most important thing for you to do at this point in your life is to get a job counselor. You might wish to go back to school if you are young enough. You may be able to work in a restaurant or as a janitor somewhere. There are trades, of course, but it's probably too late for that. If you can't find work, you could consider volunteering as a food bank helper or working at a homeless shelter or a local charity thrift store.
Mississippi? I have no idea how you came up with that but...okay.
DeleteNow, tell me how taking my advice would not have saved the lives of Brown and Garner. I await your reply telling me that I gave bad advice on how to stay alive while dealing with 'the man'.
orlin sellers
Orlin lives in a cave in Montana - or was it Idaho?
DeleteDo you disagree that following my advice would have saved Brown & Garner's lives? Answer me that, gentlemen.
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No one's denying that, but are you really recommending that? Don't you really go in for all that resistance stuff we keep hearing about?
DeleteI highly recommend it if you wanna walk away unscathed. Resisting a cop in not gonna end up being a fair fight.
DeleteHow bad is it? Look up how many people have called 911 for help and ended up dead at the hands of those sworn to protect & serve.
orlin sellers
Hey Orlin,
DeleteI think what set me off was your assertion that we live in a police state. I think a better example of a true police state might have been either East Germany or Argentina in the 1980s. Perhaps the most deadly police state in modern history would have been Nazi Germany or any of the European countries that were occupied by the Nazis. The Soviet Union was a totalitarian state. Red China has been a totalitarian state for most of its existence and is not that much better nowadays.
Our police departments have differing levels of violence and crime that they must deal with. Being a police officer can be extremely dangerous. Uncertainty is the rule.
But what happens to me when I have to talk to an officer? I haven't been to jail in twenty-five years. I might get a traffic ticket every ten or fifteen years. The cops have knocked on my door. In San Diego, they are more like guidance counselors than enforcement.
What if you were forced to just turn around and be hand-cuffed with all of the resultant hassles and expenses, loss of job, transportation, fines, jail time, et cetera? Are you sure you would just go silently like a sheep before its shearer? You might have the presence of mind to just take your licks.
Michael Brown probably got what was coming to him. I never said otherwise on this blog. Last week, they just released the transcript of his friend, Dorian Johnson testifying before the grand jury. I truly believe that Dorian thought that he was defending Big Mike. The first five or ten minutes of testimony were surely enough to clear Officer Wilson of any wrong-doing. Garner was a more classic case of over-zealous, angry cop disease. He probably should have just surrendered, but it was SO FUCKING UNJUST.
When I was getting my degree in Law Enforcement, they took quality time to impress on the students that the concept of taking into custody means you take on the responsibility of the suspect's well being. They must be leaving out of the class these days.
ReplyDeleteI havent really followed this one very closely, but I have to wonder what the officer's sergeant was doing during this event. I have read that she was present, this is when she is supposed to step in and back things down.
Whenever people are given the judgment call on life and death, regulations, restrictions, and detailed procedures must be written and clear. The same problem we have with loose gun laws that allow people who should not have guns, get guns. A gun is an instrument that can cause instant death and needs more regulation than other products that do not. Comparing guns to Ryder trucks, fertilizer, etc., is why pro gun people are called dishonest gun loons.
DeleteAnonymous antigunner got his wires crossed and seems to have responded to you with a comment meant for me on another thread. Interestingly, even in that context his comment makes little more sense than it does here.
DeleteThank you both for proving you are to stupid and entrenched in your gun loon thinking that you claim to not know what the comment was saying.
DeleteNo Anon, its called staying on the topic being discussed in the current thread. I think we talked about it just yesterday.
DeleteRight, like you stay on a posts issue. That made me laugh so hard I spilled my coffee. Next lie SS....
DeleteFrom the video I saw, this scenario didn't start as a chokehold, but as a standard restraint, you can see the officers arm cross over garners shoulder and his hand on garners chest, it's a normal step in the search process. That being said it appears to have progressed into an effective choke hold as they went to the ground. I have been in a choke hold in training that I was nearly unable to get released from due to my size and build and my training partners size and build and was nearly rendered unconciois. With all that being said I believe that there were better options at the officers disposal than to open the door for a risky maneuver. It's best to avoid the neck/throat area in a dynamic situation because things can get it of hand very quickly and have unintended consequences.
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On Parris Island they used to call it the naked strangle hold. We used to do it to one another for fun.
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