For sure, we part ways here. Why does something need to be done beyond the current screening process to catch these guns (and other weapons)? There is no increase of permit holders shooting people on airplanes. That number has remained at zero since commercial flight began.
I wondered about that. TS provided part of the answer. More people are carrying and as I always point out, the permit holders are no smarter or more responsible than anyone else. This is proof.
The other thing is the general increase in a nonchalant attitude towards gun ownership and minor violations of gun laws.
So you acknowledge that more people are carrying. Do you continue to maintain that fewer people own guns? Even if that were true, would the rise in people carrying guns, concurrent with this notional decrease in people owning them, not point to a growing "intensity" of the gun owners who remain, and thus a likely higher level of political engagement among gun owners? I like the sound of that.
The other thing is the general increase in a nonchalant attitude towards gun ownership and minor violations of gun laws.
So it's wrong to be "nonchalant" about minor violations?
But how is this "proof" that permit holders are no more responsible than knife carriers or everyone else? You haven't shown us the number of knives confiscated for comparison.
TS, as usual I'm asking you to use your head and tell us what you think. And as usual, you're not interested in that and fall back on the "what evidence is there" nonsense.
Do you think knife carry is up as gun carry obviously is?
No, I think knife carry is pretty steady, but a bigger percentage of knife carriers forget to leave them at home before going to the airport. Reasonable hypothesis?
So how often are these clowns and scofflaws prosecuted?
I got my bottled water confiscated on a flight to Sacramento back in October, but I'm certain it wasn't a criminal offense.
I imagine just about every instance of small quantities of marijuana found by airport security calls for a federal marshal and detention. I guess they could just say, "I'm sorry. I didn't remember that I had weed in my bag." Wouldn't that work?
Not in the least surprising. This is a good example where the correlation (with the rise in the carry movement) is also causation.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Where we part ways is in what should be done about it.
DeleteFor sure, we part ways here. Why does something need to be done beyond the current screening process to catch these guns (and other weapons)? There is no increase of permit holders shooting people on airplanes. That number has remained at zero since commercial flight began.
DeleteAnd?
ReplyDeleteBut how can that be? The old narrative that there are fewer people owning guns isn't actually holding water?
ReplyDeleteI wondered about that. TS provided part of the answer. More people are carrying and as I always point out, the permit holders are no smarter or more responsible than anyone else. This is proof.
DeleteThe other thing is the general increase in a nonchalant attitude towards gun ownership and minor violations of gun laws.
More people are carrying . . .
DeleteSo you acknowledge that more people are carrying. Do you continue to maintain that fewer people own guns? Even if that were true, would the rise in people carrying guns, concurrent with this notional decrease in people owning them, not point to a growing "intensity" of the gun owners who remain, and thus a likely higher level of political engagement among gun owners? I like the sound of that.
The other thing is the general increase in a nonchalant attitude towards gun ownership and minor violations of gun laws.
So it's wrong to be "nonchalant" about minor violations?
Really no worse than the ones that wear the badges?
DeleteMikeB: “More people are carrying and as I always point out, the permit holders are no smarter or more responsible than anyone else. This is proof.”
DeleteI can’t see how there is “proof” of that. I bet more people forget about their pocket knives than their carry guns.
Kurt, where did I ever question that carry is increasing?
DeleteTS, more people are carrying guns. The same number is carrying knives.
Kurt, where did I ever question that carry is increasing?
DeleteI dunno--where did you?
But how is this "proof" that permit holders are no more responsible than knife carriers or everyone else? You haven't shown us the number of knives confiscated for comparison.
DeleteTS, as usual I'm asking you to use your head and tell us what you think. And as usual, you're not interested in that and fall back on the "what evidence is there" nonsense.
DeleteDo you think knife carry is up as gun carry obviously is?
No, I think knife carry is pretty steady, but a bigger percentage of knife carriers forget to leave them at home before going to the airport. Reasonable hypothesis?
DeleteYeah.
DeleteSo how often are these clowns and scofflaws prosecuted?
ReplyDeleteI got my bottled water confiscated on a flight to Sacramento back in October, but I'm certain it wasn't a criminal offense.
I imagine just about every instance of small quantities of marijuana found by airport security calls for a federal marshal and detention. I guess they could just say, "I'm sorry. I didn't remember that I had weed in my bag." Wouldn't that work?
Dangerous gun loons will do as they please, they don't care if there is a law against it.
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