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Kentucky gun owners can obtain concealed-carry permits faster under a new online application process that critics view as dangerous but others say pays heed to Second Amendment rights.
The
process requires state police to either issue or deny a license within
15 days of receiving an electronic application — down from the 60-day
processing period allowed for paper applications.
Rep. Jim Wayne, a Louisville Democrat opposed to the new rules, says
state police are already hurting for personnel and that having officials
process applications within 15 days could result in mistakes, such as
approving permits for people with criminal histories.
"They are so overloaded and they should have the leeway to not be pressed to get this job done," he said.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the Legislator that was so concerned should have actually talked to the State Police before he made himself sound uninformed. Must have been a slow news day. What I'm getting is that the new procedure has been in place for a couple of months with no problems, much to Rep. Wayne's dismay apparently.
"The state police department, which began accepting applications electronically in mid-November, answered questions about the process in an e-mail to The Courier-Journal last week. Officials said the transition has been smooth and that several hundred people have used it to apply for new permits or renew old permits. They reported no problems meeting the 15-day deadline or performing criminal background checks, which are required for licenses. "We are able to adapt to any changes and have not experienced any unexpected issues," Kentucky State Police Sgt. Norman Preston said in the e-mail. "We are expecting to see a gradual increase (in use) after the general public has been made aware."
"The new application process is the result of an omnibus gun bill passed in 2014. Among other things, the legislation also sped up the permitting process for victims of domestic violence."
"Gregory, who sponsored the original legislation to establish rules for electronic applications, said state police wanted to modernize the process and make it more efficient. She disputes the contention that it will lead to more violence, arguing that the new rules do nothing to increase the number of people who are entitled to apply."
It's stupid to give a 3 day, 15 day, or any number of days limit on the process to do a complete check. What good is a law that give a limit well before the actual time it takes to do a complete check? Sounds like these limits are pushed by gun loons who could care less about an honest check.
ReplyDelete"What good is a law that give a limit well before the actual time it takes to do a complete check?"
DeleteLaws with given time limits were passed as a result of the powers that be abusing their authority to just sit on the applications and do nothing about them. The time limits aren't unreasonable and were likely the result of input from those who know how long the process should take.
The people who are making these checks seem to have no complaints.
It's stupid to give a 3 day, 15 day, or any number of days limit on the process to do a complete check. What good is a law that give [sic] a limit well before the actual time it takes to do a complete check?
DeleteYou tell 'em, Sandra! Good for you, rejecting that subversive, "A right delayed is a right denied crap. Martin Luther King must have been some dangerous loon, right, Sandra?
SSG explained exactly why these limits were put in place. As for Sandra's comment about the limits being shorter than the "actual time it takes to do a complete check", I'm not sure what she's getting at.
DeleteThe checks run for carry permits are the same as the checks run for purchasing firearms. Once the information is entered in the computer system it pretty much instantly spits out an acceptance or denial after checking their name and information against relevant records.
I don't know if Sandra was thinking that the checks were an investigative process like is undertaken for security clearances. They are not.
I have no clue what MLK has to do with this, except gun loon garbage.
Delete"Laws with given time limits were passed as a result of the powers that be abusing their authority to just sit on the applications and do nothing about them."
Do you have proof of that? Before some background checks were put in place, there usually wasn't any background check. Whatever input was given, it obviously isn't working, so a reassessment is ordinary and needed. I understand you gun loons are hoping the checks don't work.
If people were happy with the laws with no time limits, what would cause then to pass the laws with time limits? Keep in mind that in this case, the only person unhappy is a Democratic congresscritter who voted against it. The people who actually process the permits, the State Police have no complaints.
Delete"Rep. Jim Wayne, a Louisville Democrat opposed to the new rules, says state police are already hurting for personnel and that having officials process applications within 15 days could result in mistakes, such as approving permits for people with criminal histories."
DeleteThe fact that you don't recognize that as a valid complaint just shows you support no background checks at all. Then there is the gun loon cry that these government workers are lazy. Geez, what garbage.
"The fact that you don't recognize that as a valid complaint just shows you support no background checks at all."
DeleteActually I call that a politician whining about a bill he likely voted against. And his credibility goes right out the window when, in the same article, the people who are actually doing the job that he's whining about says there's no problem.
In fact, as the article states, they were wanting to modernize the system. So the congresscritter is complaining about something that seems to be working just fine.
"The state police department, which began accepting applications electronically in mid-November, answered questions about the process in an e-mail to The Courier-Journal last week. Officials said the transition has been smooth and that several hundred people have used it to apply for new permits or renew old permits. They reported no problems meeting the 15-day deadline or performing criminal background checks, which are required for licenses. "We are able to adapt to any changes and have not experienced any unexpected issues," Kentucky State Police Sgt. Norman Preston said in the e-mail."
"Gregory, who sponsored the original legislation to establish rules for electronic applications, said state police wanted to modernize the process and make it more efficient."
Thanks for at least agreeing that Gunny's assertion that government workers are simply lazy has nothing to do with it and is just garbage.
DeleteThe workers aren't lazy. The new system is just working efficiently and the politician is just plain wrong.
DeleteGreat, I'll repeat:
Delete""Laws with given time limits were passed as a result of the powers that be abusing their authority to just sit on the applications and do nothing about them.""
Do you have proof of that?
DeleteHere's a good example,
"Trenton, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC) has launched Phase 2 – the Crackdown Phase – of its Permitting StrikeForce program, a comprehensive statewide initiative to address firearms permitting abuses throughout the Garden State.The program is aimed at ending, once and for all, the extensive delays, unauthorized conditions, and other widespread abuses plaguing the issuance of firearms ID cards and handgun purchase permits to law-abiding citizens throughout New Jersey."
http://www.ammoland.com/2015/01/crackdown-launched-phase-against-nj-towns-pds-that-delay-gun-permiting/#ixzz3REGQXo00
Sorry, I'm not swallowing your point on anecdotal evidence. Show me it's a widespread problem, or forget it. Anyone can find one story to prove anything.
Delete"Show me it's a widespread problem, or forget it."
DeleteNew Jersey has nearly nine million people in it, isn't that widespread enough? Then of course there is New York City where there is actually a healthy, or unhealthy depending on your point of view, legal industry of attorneys who concentrate solely on helping citizens jump through the bureaucratic hoops put in place to keep citizens from exercising their rights.
New Jersey actually has such time limits in place, but the courts wont enforce them. Just as most states have adopted shall issue permit systems in response to unfair discrimination from government officials who issue them, most states also have adopted these time limits.
If the government officials weren't messing with peoples' rights in this way, both types of laws wouldn't have gone anywhere.
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DeleteNine million people alone in New Jersey have been waiting an unusual long time to have their application processed? It's that kind of BS that proves to me you are full of it.
Rep. Jim Wayne, a Louisville Democrat opposed to the new rules, says state police are already hurting for personnel and that having officials process applications within 15 days could result in mistakes, such as approving permits for people with criminal histories.
ReplyDelete"They are so overloaded and they should have the leeway to not be pressed to get this job done," he said.
Looks as if you forgot a tag for this post, Mikeb: "cry baby anti-self-defense fanatics."
Actually, though, I have a solution for Representative Wayne. Constitutional carry would free up all the personnel and other resources now expended on processing carry permits. Oh--and it makes the state more free and in better compliance with the Constitution. A win, win, win situation!
"They are so overloaded and they should have the leeway to not be pressed to get this job done,"
DeleteNot be pressed to get a job done? No wonder they are overloaded! Get paid to do a job with tax payer money just to screw off? Boy, I would like a job like that!
Get off your lazy A$$ES and get to work, give the tax payers their due and get the job done. The tax payers gets their job done on time or they wouldn't be employed to pay taxes for your job. Its not too much to ask that civil servants to do the same. They are SERVANTS to the TAX PAYER after all, serve your public! That's what your paid to do!
Accountability is needed badly for tax paid workers. Badly!
Its a move in the right direction yet not where they should be..When they get to constitutional carry and stop forcing people to ask permission to exercise their rights is when they will have reached the goal.
ReplyDeleteHere in Nevada police have 120 days to approve or deny an application after they have extorted $98.25 from the applicant
"extorted"
DeleteThanks for that gun loon BS. HA HA HA