Monday, April 18, 2011

Are Gunloons Winning?

Gunloons like to claim they're winning on the issue of gun policy.   Andy Johnston, Jonathan Clark Sullivan, Mike Walther, Keith Milligan, Roy Kubicek, Jay Grazio and the usual cast of losers, mouthbreathers, and the terminally stoopid have all written posts and comments to the effect that they have "won" the gun issue.

Well, let's look at this, shall we?

If, as claimed, the gun issue has been "won," why do gunloons feel the need to spend virtually all their time writing blog posts attacking those they disagree with?  Why do they post anonymous comments anywhere and everywhere with their views on gunloonery?

There are two distinct--but similar--answers to these questions.  Both are quite possible.  The first answer may be: they have to idea what "winning" means.  This is highly likely.  After all, "winning" is a concept gunloons may have never experienced.  Gunloona are gunloons precisely because they are losers; they've lost in the professional careers and in their social lives.

The second answer is apparent because it's solidly grounded in fact.  That is, they aren't winning.  Consider the evidence.  They spent $40M to defeat Barack Obama in 2008 because he's black supposedly the worst gungrabber in history.  They lost big time.  And, in 2012, they'll lose again because as it stands today, their champion will be Donald Trump (apparently Spongebob Squarepants had a previous commitment).  Chuckle.  Other facts: most NRA members don't agree with most of the stances of the NRA.  Still more facts: the Heller decision said gun control, including registration, was perfectly Constitutional.

26 comments:

  1. I'll keep taking all of your great "wins" with pleasure then. Have at it.

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  2. DC gun ban struck,

    Chicago gun ban struck,

    AZ constitutional carry,

    Wyoming CC,

    Please name some Gun-control accomplishments Jadegold.....

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  3. Anon:

    Considering neither DC nor Chicago had gun bans--your point is somewhat misleading.

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  4. BTW, Heller represents something of a defeat for gunloons. After all, before Heller, one could own a gun in DC--and after Heller, one could own a gun in DC. Nothing changed there.

    But the hurtful thing to gunloons is that SCOTUS said the right to guns wasn't absolute--that certain guns could be banned and that certain people could be barred from owning firearms *and* that measures such as registration is perfectly Constitutional.

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  5. "Anon:

    Considering neither DC nor Chicago had gun bans--your point is somewhat misleading.


    Do you even know what DC's gun law was prior to Heller......

    "Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975."

    Section 7-2507.02, like the bar on carrying a pistol within the home, amounts to a complete prohibition on the lawful use of handguns for self-defense. As such, we hold it unconstitutional.

    So keep telling yourself these lies that you could own a handgun in DC between 1976 and 2008... if you were a new resident?

    And Chicago....

    Prohibit the registration of handguns, thus effecting a broad handgun ban

    Require that guns be registered prior to their acquisition by Chicago residents, which is not always feasible

    Mandate that guns be re-registered annually, with another payment of the fee

    Render any gun permanently non-registrable if its registration lapses

    This one is hilarious, since they passed a law to allow an alderman to re-register his guns when he let them lapse.....


    So you keep on with your delusions and keep telling us were losing, we like that in our opponents...... delusion.....

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  6. Anon:

    As you yourself point out, you could own a gun in DC prior to Heller. This is in direct contradiction with your earlier assertion that DC banned all guns.

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  7. He did not say "all" guns, just "DC gun ban." DC did ban handguns which is a gun ban.

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  8. Jim: Machine and fully-autoguns are banned most everywhere. Does this mean the US has banned all guns?

    Apparently, consistency is not your "thing."

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  9. No it means the US has banned those guns... which is a gun ban of sorts.

    Again, nowhere did the word "all" come into play before your post. Banning some guns is a gun ban. Could he have been more clear and called it the "handgun ban?" Yes he could, but it was still a gun ban that was overturned by the Supreme Court. You seem stuck on trying to prove that since not all guns were banned, then there was no real change made by the Court's decision. I don't see how the Anon poster's point was misleading. He pointed out several recent issues that went in favor of the gun rights crowd. If you truly believe Heller was a win for the anti gun rights groups then I assume you will support other laws that repel gun bans on certain types of guns as decided in that case. Maybe you are in favor of allowing fully auto machine guns everywhere?

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  10. How far do I need to parse it for you, are you even paying attention, if you did not register a pistol prior to '76 you could not resister one after, so if you were a new resident and owned a pistol moved to DC you would have to get rid of your legally owned property (the pistol..... hence a BAN.....

    You lost because this because the SCotUS overturned the DC ban on pistol ownership.....

    The SCotUS did the same thing to Chicago, you lost your HG ban there as well......

    keep up the delusional work JadeGold keep thinking you are winning and we'll take the SCotUS wins and laugh at you the whole way....


    How happy are you that in N.H. the Senate considers ending gun permit requirement for concealed carry.....

    http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20110417-NEWS-110419805

    grab your pillow there is going to be a lot of crying at your house when this passes.....

    P.S. I am still waiting for you to please name some Gun-control accomplishments, Jadegold.....

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  11. "Gun ban of sorts," says Jim. I like that.

    I love what Jadegold pointed out in the post about Obama's victory in spite of the NRA investment. Given the propaganda campaign, it's safe to assume that very few gun owners voted for him. Yet he won.

    As Hyman Roth said to Michael Corleone as they were eating cake in Havana, "And what does that tell you?"

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  12. With the shape the country was in at the time of the 2008 election, there was no way in hell the Democrat could lose the election. Nobody was happy with the Republicans and no amount of money was going to change that election. I think what is more relevant at this time is the 2010 election. The independents did not take long to change parties and kick alot of democrats out of office. 2012 will be interesting to see who the independents go with. Of course the Republicans need a credible candidate, and I am not sure one has come forward yet.

    But even if Obama wins another term, I expect the Republicans will take over the Senate and hold the House. That is probably the best outcome available as neither party will be able to pass legislation they want and hopefully the government will just slow down on all the new wasteful spending

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  13. I'll put the question to you MikeB since JadeGold is MIA, I am still waiting for you to please name some Gun-control accomplishments.


    "Blogger mikeb302000 said...

    "Gun ban of sorts," says Jim. I like that.

    I love what Jadegold pointed out in the post about Obama's victory in spite of the NRA investment. Given the propaganda campaign, it's safe to assume that very few gun owners voted for him. Yet he won.

    As Hyman Roth said to Michael Corleone as they were eating cake in Havana, "And what does that tell you?"


    That JG can't name a single GC accomplishment since Heller vs DC.... or McDonald vs Chicago...... or the Wyoming CC law change.... or the AZ CC law change.......

    So why don't you tell us of your GC accomplishments Mikey.....

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  14. Anonymous, Jadegold could answer that question a lot better than I could, but looking at the news today, this very day, there's an example in Arizona. It was about guns on college campuses, in case you don't recognize it.

    SB 1467 was vetoed "because it is so poorly written," Brewer said.

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  15. Anon: It really isn't up to me to tally up gun control "victories" as if this were some sort of sporting event.

    If your side keeps telling us they're "winning" or have "won," it's really up to them to prove it by showing us something they've "won."

    Look it this way: let's say I'm part of an MLB team that wins the World Series. As such, I get a ring, I probably do better on my contract and endorsement deals, my name goes down in the record books as a member of a World Championship team. All tangible results that I can show you, or anyone, that I've won.

    OTOH, what have gunloons won? What do they have that they didn't have before?

    The answer: nothing.

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  16. Jadegold said...

    Anon: It really isn't up to me to tally up gun control "victories" as if this were some sort of sporting event.

    If your side keeps telling us they're "winning" or have "won," it's really up to them to prove it by showing us something they've "won."

    Look it this way: let's say I'm part of an MLB team that wins the World Series. As such, I get a ring, I probably do better on my contract and endorsement deals, my name goes down in the record books as a member of a World Championship team. All tangible results that I can show you, or anyone, that I've won.



    OTOH, what have gunloons won? What do they have that they didn't have before?



    The answer: nothing.

    Gee nothing huh.... looks like we have four rings...


    the '76 DC ban on new pistol registration unconstitutional, and struck down.....

    Chicago ban on new pistol registration unconstitutional,and struck down.....

    AZ permit-less concealed carry passed into law.

    Wyoming permit-less concealed carry passed into law.

    and gee it looks like we are going for the fifth ring....

    New Hampshire: Permitless Carry Bill Scheduled for Hearing in the Senate

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2706950/posts



    Name a success you have had since Heller? What have you done?

    After two years in office Obama holding one gun conference and not even bothering to show up, but sending ole sleepy McBiden to nod his head for a few minutes and leave.... what happened.

    Oh, other than your screaming that the evil NRA would not give your dumbass summit the time of day.

    You get any laws passed with that great brain trust, how is the high-cap mag ban going, any luck getting it passed in the house........ why is that?

    How about Brady 2?


    And Mikey as to the AZ College carry I am glad that she vetoed it since it needs to be written correctly.... we'll be back....

    You two genuses keep talking a delusional game jadegold/mikeyb...

    We love to hear your retarded rhetoric, we'll just keep patting you on the head and passing laws that loosen gun restrictions.

    You are right it is not a sporting event, it is about rights and stopping you statist/marxist/socialist/comunist douchebags at every turn.....

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  17. Anon: You have exactly nothing you didn't have before.

    Zero.

    You could own a gun in DC prior to Heller and you could own one in Chicago prior to McDonald. You could CCW in AZ and NH for, well, almost for the last century.

    So what did you get for your NRA donation? The answer: a basball cap and President Obama.

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  18. Right, If I as a new resident in DC or Chicago, wanted to own a gun I could not They would not let me register a gun in the incorporated limits of those cities, I can now.... we win....

    I citizens of AZ and Wyoming can carry concealed without a license . we win....

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  19. Jade you are just being stupid at this point. You know full well that all of the points Anon mentioned increased the rights of gun owners in those locations. You just make yourself look petty to even argue against this. Why the need to not concede a single point? I would have to say that maybe the NRA was wrong on Obama in terms of gun control. He has not shown any interest in really adding any restrictions to the gun laws, but that could also be due to the politicking of the NRA that made him back off. He can obviously read the public's mood and it is in favor of fewer gun restrictions and not more.

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  20. Jadegold said...

    So what did you get for your NRA donation? The answer: a basball cap and President Obama.

    April 19, 2011 7:03 PM


    Your seething anger at the NRA's passing gun laws you hate is worth every penny....

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  21. Listen Anonymous, Since you want to be a tedious pain-in-the-ass with this argument, the least you could do is get a little honest about it. You said there were NO gun control victories, NONE. I pointed out one which was in that very day's news, which means there were many others throughout the year. Your response:

    And Mikey as to the AZ College carry I am glad that she vetoed it since it needs to be written correctly.... we'll be back....

    A proper response from an honest person would have been, "YOU'RE RIGHT, I WAS WRONG."

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  22. Mike - no comment on Jade insisting the gun rights have not gained any new liberties with the laws passed?

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  23. A tedious pain in the ass huh, unlike your delusional friend, this Jadegold gets to claim that 4 solid victories are nothing, and he's not being tedious.

    Ask Jadegold to name a victory, any victory, a good example of which would be a law enacted or a SCotUS decision in guncontrolers favor, and lo an behold he can't name one.

    He is such a sorry sack of troll that he needs you to carry his water for him.

    And to boot your example of a win is pretty weak one as well, since all they have to do is rewrite the law and it is very likely that Gov. JB will sign the law......

    You gun controller/marxists/socialists/redistributionists are playing a pretty sad game of defense.

    mikeb302000 said...

    Listen Anonymous, Since you want to be a tedious pain-in-the-ass with this argument, the least you could do is get a little honest about it. You said there were NO gun control victories, NONE. I pointed out one which was in that very day's news, which means there were many others throughout the year. Your response:

    And Mikey as to the AZ College carry I am glad that she vetoed it since it needs to be written correctly.... we'll be back....

    A proper response from an honest person would have been, "YOU'RE RIGHT, I WAS WRONG."


    Yeah right after I hear it from Jadegold, I won't hold my breath though.

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  24. Anon doesn't get it. Let's see if we can simplify it for him.

    Let's suppose you claim that you can time-travel.

    If I were to say 'nonsense--you cannot time-travel'--it's not up to *me* to show that *I* can time-travel. It's up to you.

    Similarly, you're claiming you've "won" something. I am stating you did not win anything that you already didn't have. It is not my responsibility to show that I've won anything because I'm not making the claim.

    Capisce?

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