Since Mitt Romney did basically what Bill Clinton did, Romney isn't an acceptable candidate for president? Or he's not an acceptable president because he wasn't protesting the right things as a young adult?
Ask yourself a question: Do you want bland, saintly candidates who never did anything that you disagree with?
Please convince me that not going to Vietnam to kill people who did us no harm was a bad thing. Millions of people died for what? Cenk is so wrong and hypocritical on this he should be frickin' embarrassed. orlin sellers
That's not the part that's wrong, Orlin. The wrong part is pretending to be a tough-guy leader who wants to police the world after having avoided personal involvement himself.
"Since Mitt Romney did basically what Bill Clinton did, Romney isn't an acceptable candidate for president? Or he's not an acceptable president because he wasn't protesting the right things as a young adult?"
Uh, no. Mittunswillard protested against anti-war activists while he was at Stanford (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/172731/mitt-romney-loved-vietnam-draft-he-purposefully-avoided/). Bill Clinton dodged the draft by getting a deferment (source is Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp BUT, he wasn't a chickenhawk like Romney, Cheney, Gingrich, Shrub, Oxyboy Limpblow and a fair number of the reiKKKwingers who Luvz 'em some war.
"Ask yourself a question: Do you want bland, saintly candidates who never did anything that you disagree with?'
Well, gosh, no, think "Bill Clinton". It's just Mittunswillard is a priggish asshole AND a lying fuckbag--is he your boy?
"Please convince me that not going to Vietnam to kill people who did us no harm was a bad thing. Millions of people died for what? Cenk is so wrong and hypocritical on this he should be frickin' embarrassed"
I don't think you really understand any of this, orlin sellers. I'm pretty sure that Cenk never said anything was wrong with not going to fight in Vietnam. He said that Romney was a fucking hypocrite. Can you grasp the distinction?
It's just that we've been through the whole draft-dodging question time and again without anything coming of it. Clinton and W. both faced this objection, but they still won. Flabbyturk needs to move on.
"It's just that we've been through the whole draft-dodging question time and again without anything coming of it. Clinton and W. both faced this objection, but they still won. Flabbyturk needs to move on."
Bush won a billet in a ANG fighter wing, took the zoomin' the jets part that he liked (on the taxpayers' dime)--loves 'em some war them chickenhawks does--and then skipped out when he had "other priorities", just like his V.P., dickless Cheney.
I've seen your photo, bub, I think Cenk has at least as trim a physique as yours. Maybe you'd do better with a different avenue of attack; you could always go after him for his lack of education, his ignorance on legal matters or for his diehard liberal roots. At least that would provide some comic relief from the incessant drumbeat of your TruBleever(c) idiocy.
"So when Clinton used American forces in the Balkans, you opposed that too?"
I did, actually. I felt that the EU and other NATO member states should have contributed far more to the effort, both diplomatically and militarilty and that the U.N. should have sent a much larger force in instead of the insufficient numbers that were there, initially. Otoh, the former Yugoslavia was dangerously unstable and and Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbian Army and their murderous paramilitarists (assholez wit teh gunz held to no account for their raping, pillaging, looting and genocide) were committing acts of war and violations of both the Geneva Conventions and the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights*. Had the situation continued even more innocent parties would have died for the glory and Slobodan and Greater Serbia. If the Russians, the EU and the UN had acted in accord (and without their usual petty bickering and statecraft) the situation would not have required U.S. intervention. As it was the intervention of NATO (mostly U.S. forces) radically changed the situation for the hapless Sarajevans and other former Yugoslavs.
When Milosevic and his murderously sociopathic associates turned their attentions toward Kosovar, the EU, Russian and the UN were, again, reluctant/impotent to stop the slaughter and subjugation of ethnic albanians.
Clinton's actions (not taken unilaterally, he had LOTS of people working with him) forced the Belgrade government of Milosevic and its surrogates in other former Yugoslavian republics to have a taste of what they had visited on their largely helpless victims.
"dc vinegar, what I heard was the pot calling the kettle black. I noticed you didn't tell me how not going to Vietnam was a bad thing. orlin sellers"
Well, gosh, orlin, I did my four in the USAF and managed not to go Vietnam. The fact that didn't want to go there and wasn't convinced that the war was just or "winnable" did not factor into the AF's decisions on where to post me. While in the AF, I and a fair number of other airmen were not quiet about our opinions on the matter. So, um, fuck you.
* BTW, your insistence on calling civil and human rights, "Natural Rights", ignoring the reality that they must be guaranteed by gummints is naive or disingenuous.
orlin, honey, you really need to read shit before you hit, "publish".
Democommie, I was alive and aware during the period. I supported Clinton's intervention then, knowing that the First World War got started in the place named. The point here is that a draft dodger can be an effective fighting president.
"Democommie, I was alive and aware during the period. I supported Clinton's intervention then, knowing that the First World War got started in the place named. The point here is that a draft dodger can be an effective fighting president."
If that was your point, orlin, dear, you need to type the words and then people we'll know. We could read your mind, but it would be a very short story.
Do I want a medal? Well, I think I have enough already, thank you.
Mitt Romney's a lying piece of shit, an opportunist and a guy who believes in the power of magic underwear--is that who YOU want for president? Easy question, easy answer--even for an idiot like you.
Demonumbskull, the bit that you quoted? I wrote that, not Orlin Sellers. What does it tell us when you can't even figure out which one of us you're attacking?
Oh, and Democommie, your crack about Mormons--it's interesting to see which groups are acceptable to demean, in your view. In that, you're typical of many left wing snobs. Favored groups must be protected, while everyone else is subject to mockery.
"Demonumbskull, the bit that you quoted? I wrote that, not Orlin Sellers. What does it tell us when you can't even figure out which one of us you're attacking?"
It should tell you that I don't see a fuckton of difference between the two of you, for starters.
So, you're okay with the U.S./NATO intervention in Bosnia, how about Kosovo? Libya? Mogadishu (not really Clinton's baby), Iraq and the rest of the long list of U.S. interventions under Reagan, the Bushists, Clinton and Obama. You're all for you having unlimited gunz rightz but not for people in other countries to enjoy the same rightz. I mean it was gunz that put Slobodan Milosovich in the position of being the "ethnic cleanser". Why were his rightz denied him (to the point that he died in prison). Explain the difference between his love of teh weppins and callous indifference towards those not of his "group" and yours? Use additional sheets if necessary.
"Oh, and Democommie, your crack about Mormons--it's interesting to see which groups are acceptable to demean, in your view. In that, you're typical of many left wing snobs. Favored groups must be protected, while everyone else is subject to mockery."
Well, Greggie, if you read many of my comments on the subject of religion you would find that I ridicule all asshole adherents to ANY religion.
I don't ridicule the common people who need a little bit of "make believe" to help them get through the day in a world full of troubling events. I don't ridicule those who live according to the precepts of their faith (so long as their faith doesn't encourage or compel them to mistreat others or try to force conversions). I don't ridicule those who don't attempt to use their "faith" as a political tool. I disdain, despise, disrespect and laugh and point at ANY asshole who thinks that he is superior to anyone--based on having GOD on his side--or who attempts to make laws that affect me, based on his delusional belief system.
Mitt Romney is a duplicitious piece of shit, he uses his "faith" in an attempt to appeal to the idiots of the ReiKKKwing (the efficacy of his attempt is questionable). He is demonstrably unable to hold to any position for longer than it takes to add to his delegate count. He lacks principles and, at least in part, bases his candidacy on his being a christian. I'll make fun of him and his faith until he's no longer on the public radar.
I'm not a fan of Glenn Beck (note the correct spelling), but SLC? What's that?
With regard to religion, it doesn't surprise me that you have no respect for faith. You have no respect for anything else. Why would you be different here? And before you yammer about that statement being a lie, recall that I asked you what you do actually respect, and your answer was very little (or words to that effect--I left out the cursing and misspelling).
On the subject of military intervention, I agree with using our power to defend human rights when we have the ability and when we have a reasonable chance of succeeding. Clinton's actions in the Balkans during the nineties were good examples of this. You mischaracterize my position if you say that because Milosevic had guns, I would support him. He was an evil man who used ethnic politics to his advantage and caused the deaths of many and the abuse of many more.
A March 23 letter writer went after Mitt Romney claiming he dodged the draft because he was rich. Fact: Romney signed his Selective Service card in 1965. It was dated with a four-digit stamp "1965," as is one given at any post office in the country except for President Barack Obama whose card was stamped "'80," which no post office does. Odd.
As a Mormon, Romney went on a mission at age 19, which involves public works and promotion of the church. No application for deferment for religious purposes was made.
For a young man in the U.S. during the Vietnam era, draftees made up about 25 percent of those who served. (It is leftist propaganda that the majority did). Based on the total number serving in the U.S. armed forces between 1965 and 1980 and total population of young men during the period, Romney's chance of being drafted into service was under 15 percent.
Mr. Romney was almost killed in a car accident in 1968 at age 21, and took several years to recover. Physically this made him illegible for service.
Sorry, but I still prefer how terrible Ted Nugent got out of 'Nam.
ReplyDeleteAnd then boasted about the fact.
Poor soul, can't shot anything which shoots back at him.
For all his toughness, he couldn't get through the basics.
Since Mitt Romney did basically what Bill Clinton did, Romney isn't an acceptable candidate for president? Or he's not an acceptable president because he wasn't protesting the right things as a young adult?
ReplyDeleteAsk yourself a question: Do you want bland, saintly candidates who never did anything that you disagree with?
No, Greg, but I don't want war-hawk presidents who never served and know nothing personally about what it means.
DeleteSo when Clinton used American forces in the Balkans, you opposed that too?
DeleteI probably would have if I'd been following along in those days, which I was not.
DeleteReally? I've been paying attention since the late seventies--probably the reason that I'm cynical.
DeletePlease convince me that not going to Vietnam to kill people who did us no harm was a bad thing.
ReplyDeleteMillions of people died for what?
Cenk is so wrong and hypocritical on this he should be frickin' embarrassed.
orlin sellers
That's not the part that's wrong, Orlin. The wrong part is pretending to be a tough-guy leader who wants to police the world after having avoided personal involvement himself.
DeleteOh, you mean like Clinton, Bush, and Obama? Yeah, I see your point.
Deleteorlin sellers
Yeah, they're all pretty much the same.
Delete"Since Mitt Romney did basically what Bill Clinton did, Romney isn't an acceptable candidate for president? Or he's not an acceptable president because he wasn't protesting the right things as a young adult?"
ReplyDeleteUh, no. Mittunswillard protested against anti-war activists while he was at Stanford (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/172731/mitt-romney-loved-vietnam-draft-he-purposefully-avoided/). Bill Clinton dodged the draft by getting a deferment (source is Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp BUT, he wasn't a chickenhawk like Romney, Cheney, Gingrich, Shrub, Oxyboy Limpblow and a fair number of the reiKKKwingers who Luvz 'em some war.
"Ask yourself a question: Do you want bland, saintly candidates who never did anything that you disagree with?'
Well, gosh, no, think "Bill Clinton". It's just Mittunswillard is a priggish asshole AND a lying fuckbag--is he your boy?
"Please convince me that not going to Vietnam to kill people who did us no harm was a bad thing.
Millions of people died for what?
Cenk is so wrong and hypocritical on this he should be frickin' embarrassed"
I don't think you really understand any of this, orlin sellers. I'm pretty sure that Cenk never said anything was wrong with not going to fight in Vietnam. He said that Romney was a fucking hypocrite. Can you grasp the distinction?
It's just that we've been through the whole draft-dodging question time and again without anything coming of it. Clinton and W. both faced this objection, but they still won. Flabbyturk needs to move on.
Deletedc vinegar, what I heard was the pot calling the kettle black.
ReplyDeleteI noticed you didn't tell me how not going to Vietnam was a bad thing.
orlin sellers
"It's just that we've been through the whole draft-dodging question time and again without anything coming of it. Clinton and W. both faced this objection, but they still won. Flabbyturk needs to move on."
ReplyDeleteBush won a billet in a ANG fighter wing, took the zoomin' the jets part that he liked (on the taxpayers' dime)--loves 'em some war them chickenhawks does--and then skipped out when he had "other priorities", just like his V.P., dickless Cheney.
I've seen your photo, bub, I think Cenk has at least as trim a physique as yours. Maybe you'd do better with a different avenue of attack; you could always go after him for his lack of education, his ignorance on legal matters or for his diehard liberal roots. At least that would provide some comic relief from the incessant drumbeat of your TruBleever(c) idiocy.
"So when Clinton used American forces in the Balkans, you opposed that too?"
I did, actually. I felt that the EU and other NATO member states should have contributed far more to the effort, both diplomatically and militarilty and that the U.N. should have sent a much larger force in instead of the insufficient numbers that were there, initially. Otoh, the former Yugoslavia was dangerously unstable and and Slobodan Milosevic, the Serbian Army and their murderous paramilitarists (assholez wit teh gunz held to no account for their raping, pillaging, looting and genocide) were committing acts of war and violations of both the Geneva Conventions and the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights*. Had the situation continued even more innocent parties would have died for the glory and Slobodan and Greater Serbia. If the Russians, the EU and the UN had acted in accord (and without their usual petty bickering and statecraft) the situation would not have required U.S. intervention. As it was the intervention of NATO (mostly U.S. forces) radically changed the situation for the hapless Sarajevans and other former Yugoslavs.
When Milosevic and his murderously sociopathic associates turned their attentions toward Kosovar, the EU, Russian and the UN were, again, reluctant/impotent to stop the slaughter and subjugation of ethnic albanians.
Clinton's actions (not taken unilaterally, he had LOTS of people working with him) forced the Belgrade government of Milosevic and its surrogates in other former Yugoslavian republics to have a taste of what they had visited on their largely helpless victims.
"dc vinegar, what I heard was the pot calling the kettle black.
I noticed you didn't tell me how not going to Vietnam was a bad thing.
orlin sellers"
Well, gosh, orlin, I did my four in the USAF and managed not to go Vietnam. The fact that didn't want to go there and wasn't convinced that the war was just or "winnable" did not factor into the AF's decisions on where to post me. While in the AF, I and a fair number of other airmen were not quiet about our opinions on the matter. So, um, fuck you.
* BTW, your insistence on calling civil and human rights, "Natural Rights", ignoring the reality that they must be guaranteed by gummints is naive or disingenuous.
orlin, honey, you really need to read shit before you hit, "publish".
Democommie, I was alive and aware during the period. I supported Clinton's intervention then, knowing that the First World War got started in the place named. The point here is that a draft dodger can be an effective fighting president.
DeleteWell, gosh, orlin, I did my four in the USAF and managed not to go Vietnam, says dc.
ReplyDeleteGoodie, whatdoyouwant...a medal.
orlin sellers
"Democommie, I was alive and aware during the period. I supported Clinton's intervention then, knowing that the First World War got started in the place named. The point here is that a draft dodger can be an effective fighting president."
ReplyDeleteIf that was your point, orlin, dear, you need to type the words and then people we'll know. We could read your mind, but it would be a very short story.
Do I want a medal? Well, I think I have enough already, thank you.
Mitt Romney's a lying piece of shit, an opportunist and a guy who believes in the power of magic underwear--is that who YOU want for president? Easy question, easy answer--even for an idiot like you.
Demonumbskull, the bit that you quoted? I wrote that, not Orlin Sellers. What does it tell us when you can't even figure out which one of us you're attacking?
DeleteOh, and Democommie, your crack about Mormons--it's interesting to see which groups are acceptable to demean, in your view. In that, you're typical of many left wing snobs. Favored groups must be protected, while everyone else is subject to mockery.
Delete"Demonumbskull, the bit that you quoted? I wrote that, not Orlin Sellers. What does it tell us when you can't even figure out which one of us you're attacking?"
ReplyDeleteIt should tell you that I don't see a fuckton of difference between the two of you, for starters.
So, you're okay with the U.S./NATO intervention in Bosnia, how about Kosovo? Libya? Mogadishu (not really Clinton's baby), Iraq and the rest of the long list of U.S. interventions under Reagan, the Bushists, Clinton and Obama. You're all for you having unlimited gunz rightz but not for people in other countries to enjoy the same rightz. I mean it was gunz that put Slobodan Milosovich in the position of being the "ethnic cleanser". Why were his rightz denied him (to the point that he died in prison). Explain the difference between his love of teh weppins and callous indifference towards those not of his "group" and yours? Use additional sheets if necessary.
"Oh, and Democommie, your crack about Mormons--it's interesting to see which groups are acceptable to demean, in your view. In that, you're typical of many left wing snobs. Favored groups must be protected, while everyone else is subject to mockery."
ReplyDeleteWell, Greggie, if you read many of my comments on the subject of religion you would find that I ridicule all asshole adherents to ANY religion.
I don't ridicule the common people who need a little bit of "make believe" to help them get through the day in a world full of troubling events. I don't ridicule those who live according to the precepts of their faith (so long as their faith doesn't encourage or compel them to mistreat others or try to force conversions). I don't ridicule those who don't attempt to use their "faith" as a political tool. I disdain, despise, disrespect and laugh and point at ANY asshole who thinks that he is superior to anyone--based on having GOD on his side--or who attempts to make laws that affect me, based on his delusional belief system.
Mitt Romney is a duplicitious piece of shit, he uses his "faith" in an attempt to appeal to the idiots of the ReiKKKwing (the efficacy of his attempt is questionable). He is demonstrably unable to hold to any position for longer than it takes to add to his delegate count. He lacks principles and, at least in part, bases his candidacy on his being a christian. I'll make fun of him and his faith until he's no longer on the public radar.
You a fan of Glennie Bek, he's a SLC Moron?
Democommie,
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of Glenn Beck (note the correct spelling), but SLC? What's that?
With regard to religion, it doesn't surprise me that you have no respect for faith. You have no respect for anything else. Why would you be different here? And before you yammer about that statement being a lie, recall that I asked you what you do actually respect, and your answer was very little (or words to that effect--I left out the cursing and misspelling).
On the subject of military intervention, I agree with using our power to defend human rights when we have the ability and when we have a reasonable chance of succeeding. Clinton's actions in the Balkans during the nineties were good examples of this. You mischaracterize my position if you say that because Milosevic had guns, I would support him. He was an evil man who used ethnic politics to his advantage and caused the deaths of many and the abuse of many more.
A March 23 letter writer went after Mitt Romney claiming he dodged the draft because he was rich. Fact: Romney signed his Selective Service card in 1965. It was dated with a four-digit stamp "1965," as is one given at any post office in the country except for President Barack Obama whose card was stamped "'80," which no post office does. Odd.
ReplyDeleteAs a Mormon, Romney went on a mission at age 19, which involves public works and promotion of the church. No application for deferment for religious purposes was made.
For a young man in the U.S. during the Vietnam era, draftees made up about 25 percent of those who served. (It is leftist propaganda that the majority did). Based on the total number serving in the U.S. armed forces between 1965 and 1980 and total population of young men during the period, Romney's chance of being drafted into service was under 15 percent.
Mr. Romney was almost killed in a car accident in 1968 at age 21, and took several years to recover. Physically this made him illegible for service.