Indeed. For online sales, there's no background check, no paperwork, no ID required. It's just cash and carry, no way to know if they are a felon/mentally ill/domestic abuser/illegal immigrant/underage/or drug offender, as a 5-minute background check would likely reveal. What the fuck is wrong with this country when 40% of gun sales are bought without a background check, including online ads?
What's wrong with you, Man from Oregon? You reject freedom. You accept the delusion that requiring background checks will stop criminals from selling guns to each other. You fail at math, since you can't see how crime numbers are declining, while gun ownership is on the rise. You steal the names of Norse gods.
Greg, are you saying you favor continuing with these "private sales" of guns? Is that part of you freedom vision? Please be clear. I don't remember if you're ever committed yourself on this issue, you're too busy trying to egg on my fellow commenters.
It seems like a tactical error for them to go after all private sales before getting just the ones that occur at gun shows. The strategy is usually to take small bites at a time while pleading for “just one more bite”. Bloomberg is a bit of a maverick in that way.
As a side, it is a shame to hear Der Ring des Nibelungen besmirched with an overlay talking about gun control.
Mikeb, if I believed that every potential gun buyer would submit to a background check, I'd likely support requiring them, but I know reality. The people who get checked are by and large the people who know that they'll pass. So what's the purpose of a check? There's also a part of me that is concerned about the government having knowledge of my purchases, regardless of what I'm buying. That part is also concerned about the government's ability to learn what library books I've checked out. I don't know what is to be figured out from my enjoyment of Nero Wolfe novels, but there it is. That part of me takes pleasure in the guns that I've bought without paperwork.
Do I want bad people to have guns? No. You seem to think that I'm either evil or callous, but that's not the case. I'm just a realist.
Greg, you keep putting the focus on the criminals or in this case on the buyers. The mandatory background check law, like most gun control laws, is aimed at the seller, at the law-abiding gun owner. HE would be required to ensure that his buyer passes. Get it?
No, I don't get it. What you're proposing is the creation of a black market. Get it? When there's a demand for a product, someone will provide it. There are hundreds of millions of unregistered guns in this country. Do you think that they'll all disappear? Do you imagine that millions of gun owners will dutifully go in to document them? Do you also believe in Santa Claus?
Indeed. For online sales, there's no background check, no paperwork, no ID required. It's just cash and carry, no way to know if they are a felon/mentally ill/domestic abuser/illegal immigrant/underage/or drug offender, as a 5-minute background check would likely reveal. What the fuck is wrong with this country when 40% of gun sales are bought without a background check, including online ads?
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with you, Man from Oregon? You reject freedom. You accept the delusion that requiring background checks will stop criminals from selling guns to each other. You fail at math, since you can't see how crime numbers are declining, while gun ownership is on the rise. You steal the names of Norse gods.
DeleteIs there anything that you get right?
Greg, are you saying you favor continuing with these "private sales" of guns? Is that part of you freedom vision? Please be clear. I don't remember if you're ever committed yourself on this issue, you're too busy trying to egg on my fellow commenters.
DeleteThe problem is that anyone at all has to bend over for these checks. I support free gun ownership for anyone not currently incarcerated.
DeleteIt seems like a tactical error for them to go after all private sales before getting just the ones that occur at gun shows. The strategy is usually to take small bites at a time while pleading for “just one more bite”. Bloomberg is a bit of a maverick in that way.
ReplyDeleteAs a side, it is a shame to hear Der Ring des Nibelungen besmirched with an overlay talking about gun control.
Mikeb, if I believed that every potential gun buyer would submit to a background check, I'd likely support requiring them, but I know reality. The people who get checked are by and large the people who know that they'll pass. So what's the purpose of a check? There's also a part of me that is concerned about the government having knowledge of my purchases, regardless of what I'm buying. That part is also concerned about the government's ability to learn what library books I've checked out. I don't know what is to be figured out from my enjoyment of Nero Wolfe novels, but there it is. That part of me takes pleasure in the guns that I've bought without paperwork.
ReplyDeleteDo I want bad people to have guns? No. You seem to think that I'm either evil or callous, but that's not the case. I'm just a realist.
Greg, you keep putting the focus on the criminals or in this case on the buyers. The mandatory background check law, like most gun control laws, is aimed at the seller, at the law-abiding gun owner. HE would be required to ensure that his buyer passes. Get it?
DeleteNo, I don't get it. What you're proposing is the creation of a black market. Get it? When there's a demand for a product, someone will provide it. There are hundreds of millions of unregistered guns in this country. Do you think that they'll all disappear? Do you imagine that millions of gun owners will dutifully go in to document them? Do you also believe in Santa Claus?
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