Thursday, October 6, 2011

Tennessee Among the Highest in Gun Crime

The Tennessean reports

But [Don] Green [executive director of the University of Tennessee’s Law Enforcement Innovation Center]
offered three possibilities for the high rate: better police reporting, a large number of gang and drug-related crimes, or perhaps Tennessee’s high rate of gun ownership.

“One thing you could say would be if there are a number of firearms accessible to individuals, then they would be more inclined to use those during a heated argument,” Green said.

The idea reflects a longstanding debate between Second Amendment and gun control advocates. Research has shown some correlation between states with high gun ownership and high gun-related crimes. The Harvard Injury Control Research Center, in particular, has published multiple studies showing that people living in areas with more guns are more at risk of being homicide victims.

The Violence Policy Center, a Washington, D.C.-based research group that advocates for stronger gun control, in 2008 linked Tennessee’s high gun ownership to its high homicide rate. It has also ranked Tennessee high in recent years in black homicides and cases in which women have been killed by men.
Gun availability is becoming harder and harder to deny as one of the contributing factors in violent crime. Even in The Volunteer State they're beginning to see it.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.


  1. All of this ignores the fact that violent crime was much lower when gun control was virtually non-existent.

    It is not the guns that cause crime but rather the increase in the availability of violent criminals.

  2. Nothing is ignored FWM.

    All forms of firearm violence are drastically and dramatically lower with gun control, including not only crimes committed with firearms, but also suicides and accidental homicides and injuries.

    There is no increase in violent criminals. All crime, including violent crimes, are declining.

    If you want to make that assertion, back it up with verifiable sources and statistics.

    Let me make it easy for you:

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    I have more, continued next comment

  3. to continue:

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    Your argument has no factual basis for a causal or any other kind of correlation to lax gun control and crime rates in the U.S.

    It is overwhelmingly clear that in countries with fewer guns per capita and with more regualtion and regulation enforcement, that there is less gun violence.


    So unless you can come up with better data and a better causational link to justify lax gun control, you are an idiot for parroting that stupid position. It doesn't stand, it doesn't pass the stink test, it is WRONG.

    And a lot of people die or are injured because of people who don't think, don't fact check, and don't reason well promoting that position into legislation, or into opposing good and necessary legislation.

    Your position is bull manure, it is not fact based, it is not reality based.

  4. If anything, firearms laws in the US have been getting laxer as time has passed.

    Starting in the 1970s there were waiting periods for buying handguns, which have since been replaced by "instant checks". These instant checks fail to include recent arrest data. Addtionally, they do not show mental health status (e.g Seung-Hui Cho and Jared Loughner).

    We can add in the relaxation of CCW laws to the mix. With the addition of out of state CCW permits which allow for people who would be disqualifed in their home states to acquire CCW permits seeWho can have a gun in Phila.? Often, Florida decides.

    Like 900 other Philadelphians - a number that has skyrocketed in recent years - [Rafiq] Williams easily circumvented the local licensing process by obtaining a mail-order gun permit from Florida, where the rules are less stringent.

    And because Pennsylvania and Florida have a reciprocal agreement to respect each other's gun licenses, local police are compelled to honor his permit, despite their opposition. [...]

    Increasingly, Philadelphia police are discovering suspects arrested here have Florida concealed-weapons permits.

    That's because most of the gun permits are going to the city's higher-crime areas, with concentrations in Olney and West Philadelphia.

    If anything, there needs to be more restrictions on firearms ownership rather than the continued loosening of firearms laws.

  5. I'm posting a comment from Fringed, along with my response:

    Shall not be infringed has left a new comment on your post "Tennessee Among the Highest in Gun Crime":

    "If anything, there needs to be more restrictions on firearms ownership rather than the continued loosening of firearms laws.'

    The FBI recently released its Crime in The United States statistics for 2010. Overall, murders in the U.S. have decreased steadily since 2006, dropping from 15,087 to 12,996. Firearms murders — which made up 67 percent of all murders in the U.S. in 2010 — have followed this trend, decreasing by 14 percent.

    At the same time that firearms murders were dropping, gun sales were surging. In 2009, FBI background checks for guns increased by 30 percent over the previous year, while firearms sales in large retail outlets increased by almost 40 percent. The number of applications for concealed carry permits jumped across the country as well.

    Fringed, we still have dramatically higher gun crime than those countries which have more restrictive regulaion and fewer guns per capita, ditto gun injuries, both from intentional shootings and accidental ones, and also we have far more suicides by firearms.

    Your point doesn't work; there is NO causal relationship between more firearms and lower crime. Those states, for example, which have more restrictive firearm regulation and fewer firearms have the same or greater decline in those crime rates.

    You need more than such a superficial understanding of the meaning of the statistics; or, alternatively, you are trying to twist the numbers to prove something they do not.

  6. Fringey is playing a bit of statistical illusion.

    He claims "The FBI recently released its Crime in The United States statistics for 2010. Overall, murders in the U.S. have decreased steadily since 2006, dropping from 15,087 to 12,996. Firearms murders — which made up 67 percent of all murders in the U.S. in 2010 — have followed this trend, decreasing by 14 percent."

    The trick here is that firearm murders--as a rate---have NOT declined as a percentage of all murders.

  7. An important point you make Jadegold, given that percentage, and all of the pertinent statistics, are significant in the context of our population increase.

  8. I guess we have to give the pro-gun boys some credit. The've succeeded in making us argue to win obvious points like do more guns mean more gun violence.