Wednesday, January 16, 2013

NRA Truthers

Newtown, CT Hero Harassed by NRA Truthers:


Now Gene Rosen, the Newtown resident who took six terrified children into their home, fed them cookies and juice, and cried for what he witnessed, has been victimized by many of the Newtown conspiracy theorists — enduring harassment detailed in a piece on Salon as the Sandy Hook truthers gain momentum on the web.
Reading of Gene Rosen’s plight after Newtown is certainly depressing — the article quotes the 69-year-old as he describes how photos of his home have been posted online, impostors have attempted to malign him on social networks, and anti-semites on white supremacy boards have mocked the “emotional Jewish guy.” An email quoted in the piece masqueraded as business-related but then went on to allege:
“How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?”

Actually, Newtown Truthers are pretty common among the usual gunloon blogs.  Look at the comments from Jon Clark Sullivan's blog in response to his threat on the Prez:



31 comments:

  1. You'll never have to worry about being called a truth teller, liar is more likely; or, at the very least, ignorant antagonist. There is not one mention of the NRA or gun owners in any of the stories.


    orlin sellers

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  2. From Christian Science Monitor:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0116/Sandy-Hook-truthers-harass-Newtown-man-conspiracy-theories-go-viral

    "The underlying theme in all the theories is that the media, the government, and Obama administration specifically either manipulated or orchestrated the shooting to move political opinion on gun control. In particular, a comprehensive truther video focuses on discrepancies in initial reporting about the number and types of guns used by Adam Lanza.

    Conspiracy theories are often used as a way of deflecting blame, Professor Pasley says. “If you’re a gun owner, you don’t want it all blamed on your group. So you adopt a conspiracy theory that blames it on someone else,” he says."

    Truther hurts, huh?

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    1. Jade,

      Neither the post by Linoge, nor the comments to it, are engaging in Newtown Trutherism. They are discussing their fear of a potential future conspiracy.

      If you find this paranoid, post about that. However, trying to post their comments as evidence of Newtown Trutherism on gun blogs is dishonest.

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    2. T., that's a flimsy distinction. They're talking about those future possibilities in the light of the Newtown "conspiracy."

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    3. Where have any of those bloggers posted anything about a conspiracy in Newtown? It's not part of their discussion anywhere I've seen.

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    4. I saw it on TTAG as well as other places.

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    5. I didn't say where did you see bloggers do it, I said where have you seen Oleg and Linoge do it, or the other commenters Jade quoted.

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    6. Oh, I get you. I haven't been to their blogs, so I haven't seen it. I'm banned from Linoge's by the way, so I only occasionally go there to read.

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  3. It is clear to any horse's ass that Obama did use the shooting to manipulate and orchestrate to try to get gun control legislation.

    I would like to point out that you did not originally post the CS Monitor article, but a Salon article that said nothing about the NRA. And neither does the Monitor article nor Prof. Pasley say diddly-squat about the NRA though he does propose a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory.

    So, again your title of this post is "NRA Truthers" yet nowhere is the NRA mentioned in anything you posted. We can deduce, as I said before that, you will not be accused of being truthful but, merely an ignorant antagonist.

    You tell me, does the truth hurt?

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  4. Orlie: I'm sorry--well, not really--that your side is losing quite badly on this issue.

    Facts are facts, the NRA and it adherents promote this entire truther nonsense.

    And surely you can admit the NRA attacking the President's daughters is way over the line.

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  5. Since I'm on the side of the Constitution, you're not. Too bad for you, ya commie.

    You haven't shown one fact about the NRA so bite me.

    Obama is a total hypocrite just like you, unless of course you sign the petition to make the White House a Gun Free Zone. Oh! You don't wanna sign that? I guess that would make you a gun loon if you don't wanna get rid of those assault weapons there, eh?

    orlin sellers

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    1. Don't expect Goldilocks to tell the truth. He sees himself as superior to the truth.

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    2. It may be reality, but it is not "The Truth".

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  6. All of these twits don't tell the truth, the truth is that we have a dictator in office and no one is stopping him. Far as I'm concerned nothing he passes is valid. If we get a president again his (or her) first act should be to repeal anything Obama (scuse me, have to go rinse my mouth with soap for saying a dirty word) passed. All hail the dictator! Bow down before him, for he can do no wrong! Except..... The fast and the furious, benghazi, and being elected to an office he doesn't meet the legal requirements for!

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    1. Only a deep-seated racism can account for such inexplicable Obama hate.

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    2. To be fair Mike, people were saying pretty similar stuff about George W. Bush when he was in office. Probably not the same demographic saying it now, but certainly quite a few white people. I wouldn't associate that with racism; I think it would be more apt to say that people are people of all political persuasions are irrationally exaggerating their disagreements with whoever is in power. The whole "President is a Dictator" thing is likely going to be a trope in American political discourse for the indeterminate future. I'm not sure it can be attributed to racism, just the bizarre and radical sentiments of our times. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some evil fucking people in government (Oliver North, for example), but the Hitler comparisons aren't quite called for in either case.

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    3. I never heard anything like this about Bush. The hatred for Obama definitely has a racist's taint, in my opinion. I certainly agree with you about Hitler, but again, I don't remember much Hitler nonsense during Bush, there might have been some. There's been plenty under Obama.

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    4. Repukeliscum are deeply racist, and hate Obama in an entirely different way than Bush. Bush lied to get us into a war with Iraq, and the morons who supported him were too stupid to understand how badly they had been swindled. They are repukliesucm and stupidity is part of the whole deal. Obama is treated badly simply due to his race, and that he is smarter than the crackers who vote Repukeliscum.

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    5. Sorry to burst your bubble mikeb, but I'm not racist. And it's true i said bad things about bush too. However, Obama (thers that bad word again) jas consistently shown that he has no intent of following the constitution he swore to defend. I also want answers for the fast and the furious and especially benghazi. And by meeting legal requirements i meant not only proving once and for all he's a legal citizen, i mean winning an election without rigging it. There's more pfoor that Obama is a rackst than I am. Zimmerman shoots a black kid " i will do.all i can" black hate group pjts an illegal bounty on zimmermans head, not one word.

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    6. There's nothing inexplicable about hating a politician who is working to violate the Constitution.

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    7. I think the Anonymous at 4:11 is on to something.

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    8. Oh, you mean the one who used the racist term "Cracker"?

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    9. The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's goodbye to the Bill of Rights.
      H.L. Mencken

      orlin sellers

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    10. So the guy who cant say a sentence without an ad hominem attack or a racial slur is onto something?

      Seriously, Mike, that guy is just as incoherent and vile as the worst example from our side.

      All of this "Republicans are racists" stuff is Bullshit. Are there racists out there? Yes. Are they Republicans? Some are, some aren't. Racism has nothing to do with most of us' dislike for Obama, and the effort to throw it out there repeatedly is just a red herring trying to distract us from the topic at hand.

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    11. I agree his language is over the top, but I agree with the message. The Republicans are a despicable bunch. Most people agree which is why they got shellacked in the election.

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    12. Shellacked? The president won by a tiny margin, and the House and Senate stayed basically the same. According to NPR yesterday, the red/blue divide in this country got deeper. In many ways, we're heading toward Civil War 2.0--if your side would stop trying to control everything about our lives, we could avoid that end.

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    13. And before you pounce, by your side in the previous comment, I mean anyone who supported the PATRIOT Act, anyone who supports gun control, anyone who opposes legalization of marijuana, anyone who believes that the Kelo decision was correct, and so forth. All such people are from the same school of thought--we know better what's best for you.

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    14. Yes, shellacked. Didn't you see the results for every one of those idiot Republicans who talked about rape? The women's vote kicked their ass more than anything else. The reasonable gun-rights people as well as minorities contributed to the overall. Smart Republicans are doing like Big Chris Christie and moving towards the center.

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    15. I can recall two candidates who made remarks about rape that got them in trouble. But unlike the shellacking that Obama received in 2010, nothing fundamentally changed. Control of the House and Senate remain the same, and the margins of victory in contested districts were tight.

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  7. It's amazing how far the gun loons will go to blame everything except the gun and the gunman. It's got to be the guberment somehow! Paranoia about the government and fetish for gunzzz goes hand-in-hand. The Sandy Hook shooting is an excellent example of this.

    See my post on it here: http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2013/01/wacko-pro-gun-conspiracy-theories-about.html

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    1. Are we allowed to comment at your site? If no, no thanks.

      By the way, taking cues from Democommie and Jadegold on writing style isn't a good idea.

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