What Do We Mean by Proper Gun Control?
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1. Licensing of all gun owners which would include a penal background check, a mental health background check, an eye exam, a written and practical test and approval by the local authorities.
2. Registration of all newly bought firearms which would need to be renewed after three months and yearly thereafter by presenting the paperwork and the weapon to the police.
3. Background checks on all purchases including private ones. This can be done at the local FFL dealer for a nominal fee.
4. Three day waiting period for all first purchases.
5. "May Issue" policy for concealed carry permits managed federally - same rules in every state.
6. Assault Weapons Ban using the California model which would include restrictions on extended magazines.
2. Registration of all newly bought firearms which would need to be renewed after three months and yearly thereafter by presenting the paperwork and the weapon to the police.
3. Background checks on all purchases including private ones. This can be done at the local FFL dealer for a nominal fee.
4. Three day waiting period for all first purchases.
5. "May Issue" policy for concealed carry permits managed federally - same rules in every state.
6. Assault Weapons Ban using the California model which would include restrictions on extended magazines.
7. Safe Storage of Firearms using the California model.
""May Issue" policy for concealed carry permits managed federally - same rules in every state."
ReplyDeleteSo are we also talking federal reciprocity? If the permits are issued at state level, then they should be good everywhere. Though I'm assuming that you would want to make justification for getting a permit a challenge.
"If the permits are issued at state level, then they should be good everywhere."
DeleteSorry, had a brain fart there. I meant to say at a federal level.
Sure, that's the advantage. No more disparity between states, everybody is equally strict.
DeleteConsidering that Jersey has a de facto no issue permit law, someone wouldn't be happy.
DeleteThat's what Mike means by "equally strict"--they'll just make the toughest law the law of the land. They won't do away with carry completely, just cut it down so that almost nobody can do it.
DeleteMikeb, you meant to say that you want every state to violate basic rights in the same way.
DeleteWhich basic rights are you talking about, the god-given right to carry concealed without a permit, or the right to keep your gun under the pillow when the grand-kids come over if you want.
DeleteYou've got a twisted idea of rights and freedom.
You might as well title this, "Wishful Thinking that Americans Will Never Tolerate."
ReplyDeleteYou don't want the California model- you want it stricter than California. You just said so in your previous post.
ReplyDeleteTS,
DeleteWhat a Gotcha comment! Can't you leave him room to "evolve" later on?
Tennessean, the technical term for what he does is decompensate.
DeleteYou're right, TS. "Based on the California model," means just that. The base is what they do in CA, then we tighten it up to get it just right.
DeleteSo your AWB "based on California" would eventually look like what? Every type of semi-auto banned? Lever actions and pump actions too since they have too high a rate of fire?
DeleteGuess you're keeping that one as a surprise.
DeleteMike - are you going to post the Colorado recall effort results?
ReplyDeleteOf course not
DeleteRelax guys, it's coming.
DeleteMike,
ReplyDeleteMy wife just attended a self-defense class for women. One incredibly discouraging data point is that 1 out of every 3 women in the U.S. will be victims of sexual assault in their lifetime. I am certain we can all agree that is a travesty beyond words. And it creates the backdrop of my next question.
How would you feel and what would you think if government enacted "sex control" to address the sex crime epidemic? Before you can engage in "legal" sexual activity, you must:
1. Get a license from the government which includes a background check, eye exam, written and practical test and approval by local authorities.
2. Registration of all newly bought sexual products and birth control which would need to be renewed after three months and yearly thereafter by presenting the paperwork and the products to the police.
3. Background checks on all sex product and birth control purchases including private purchases. This can be done at the local sex product dealer or pharmacy for a nominal fee.
4. Three day waiting period for all first sex product and birth control purchases and first sexual unions.
5. "May Issue" policy for sexual activity permits managed federally - same rules in every state.
6. High Capacity Sex and Sex Products Ban which would include restrictions on extended sexual activity or activity which could involve a lot of people in a short period of time.
7. Safe Storage of sex products using the California model for firearms storage.
Everyone, yourself included, should find such a situation to be totally demeaning and degrading -- an utter insult to their entire being. And that is why such a situation is totally unacceptable and we should not do it.
It is equally demeaning, degrading, and insulting to a person's entire being to have those same requirements attached to anything, whether sexual activity or firearm ownership.
Sexual crimes tragically devastate millions of girls, teenagers, and women. And yet that still is not a valid reason to attach such "controls" to sexual activity. It is equally invalid to attach such "controls" to people who want to own and possess firearms.
- TruthBeTold
That comparison takes the cake for most bizarre. I have no comment. I'm speechless.
DeleteWhat could anyone say about my post? My post illustrates with absolute clarity how atrocious government "____ control" is, whether it is gun control, sex control, or anything else.
DeleteIt is a fact that 1 out of 3 women will be victims of sex crimes in their lifetime. Sex crimes against women are horrendous and a civilized and decent society must do everything possible to stop sex crimes against women. What could possibly be more urgent? And yet no one will subscribe to government mandated and enforced sex control as you have outlined. I say "as you outlined" because all I did was substitute something sexually related every time you mentioned firearms in your model gun control scheme.
If sex crimes, which affect 1 out of every 3 women, are not enough reason to have government mandated and enforced sex control, why are violent crimes with firearms, which affect much less than 1 out of every three citizens, a reason to have government mandated and enforced gun control?
- TruthBeTold
Mike,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think of the Colorado Recall Results?
John
I would rather you post the entire completely exhausted works of gun control. Then we can "shoot down" or raise up each point by point.
ReplyDeleteThen we would get to compare the exhausted works against each state that would be either willing to or unwilling to have such a federal gun law. As you know, this stuff has to be voted on. So far, even the slightest changes have been rejected on the federal level, you know this already.
Then we could look at how the people would respond to such exhausted works of gun laws, like the people in Colorado did. And other states that are considering recalls of their law makers.
You know Mike, its really a waste of effort but I am willing to go toe to toe with you on this. This is after all, a Representative Republic, not a Democracy that we live in. We put law makers in office to represent us. And if they don't, we can remove them and replace them with those that will.
In short, what you want wont have a snowballs chance in hell to even get across the room and make a wet spot. Especially on a federal level. The liberal, democrat party would evaporate into oblivion if it were even tried. The evidence is obvious, like the Colorado state recall as an example. More democrats showed up to vote than republicans did and voted out their democrat senators. And replaced them with GOP candidates. Gun issues cut across all party lines, none will be so willing to give them up like this. The people have spoken to this issue several times this year. And they remind them that the government belongs to the people, not the other way around.
So I don't know why we are having this discussion, its all academic. But there it is.
I think eventually we'll get there.
DeleteIn other words, Mikeb, you don't want to go through every proposal point by point and be shown how ridiculous they are.
DeleteAnd you might, time will tell. But not today, next year or ten years from now. Maybe in another hundred years, maybe. In another hundred years guns may be simply outdated for a different means of protection. That is if some idiot in charge doesn't end up pressing the self destruct button for the whole world. LOLs, really, who knows?
DeleteBut if history is an indication of the gun control you want, you did win in the past and you are loosing now, day by day, week by week and year by year. The future is uncertain, the past is fact.
Texas, you gun-control fanatics are the modern Neanderthals who are holding back the species from its natural and inevitable advancement. I don't think it'll take 100 years to put gun rights behind us as other misguided but passionately supported policies were, slavery, denying women equal rights, etc.
DeleteMikeb, you see 1984 as our natural and inevitable end? That leaves me wondering if you're pathetic or evil.
DeleteYou didn't want to post the last to entry comments I made? Why not?
DeleteAnd I am not a "gun-control fanatic", you are and beyond reason at that. My species do not want to be controlled either. Man or Neanderthals, we were all born to be free and live freely. The last two posts I submitted to you is the Illinois court recognizing that as fact, you know the ones you didn't put up. Afraid Mike? Afraid that you might be wrong?
Look, I have my rules, you have read them. I wish my rules/standards apply to everyone but they don't. You among others believe I am harsh on some things. You are unreasonable on all things concerning firearms. 0
Slavery and women rights denied freedoms and were corrected. Freedom to own property (guns, land, cars, money and so on) is part of the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution and heritage of this country.
It will take 100 years or longer or a direct amendment of our constitution before you can remove these rights and "get them behind us". Good luck with either. We have had natural and inevitable advancement for over 200 years and the advancement of our tools have advanced as well. Everything has advanced, but advancing man from freedom will never happen.
So explain why you didn't put up my other posts?
Did you notice how your two examples were both denying rights?
DeleteTexas, I don't think I deleted any of your comments and I just checked the Spam folder, nothing.
DeleteI don't know whats going on, but I posted an apology to you yesterday as well and it hasn't shown up yet either. But I will try again, I apologize to you, its not your fault but mine. I found those two comments on a different post. I just got confused on which post I was on since the subjects from different posts seem to run together at times.
DeleteMy bad, not yours.